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PE Drop Court Case: Paperwork "Irregularities"

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bargepole
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edited 5 November 2013 at 2:45PM in Parking tickets, fines & parking
ParkingEye had issued a court claim against a Ms Byrne (claim no. 3JD04522), and one of the helpers from Pepipoo assisted the OP with her defence.

PE were requested to provide evidence of landowner’s authority to levy parking charges and pursue non-payers to court, and they produced a Witness Statement signed by the managing agents, Colliers International.

We had seen various other copies of this same witness statement relating to other cases, and it seemed odd that the signature on each one was absolutely identical – if you laid one piece of paper on top of another, the signatures matched perfectly. However, the dates all seemed to be in different handwriting.

This led to the conclusion that Colliers had simply signed a blank form, and that PE had photocopied a stack of these, filling in the details to suit each case.

The OP contacted Colliers directly and confronted them with the evidence, and their representative said that they would have to speak to PE’s legal department as these were “serious allegations”.

A few days later, the OP received notification that the claim was now discontinued. Unsurprisingly perhaps, as one imagines that neither PE nor Colliers would want this apparently dubious practice publicly aired in a Court of Law.

I wonder if Mr Pindar of Capita knew what he was letting his company in for when they agreed to buy this lot?

I have been providing assistance, including Lay Representation at Court hearings (current score: won 57, lost 14), to defendants in parking cases for over 5 years. I have an LLB (Hons) degree, and have a Graduate Diploma in Civil Litigation from CILEx. However, any advice given on these forums by me is NOT formal legal advice, and I accept no liability for its accuracy.
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  • Hovite_2
    Hovite_2 Posts: 749 Forumite
    Would you mind if I used you post on the Aldi website ( edited of course ! ) to indicate what a bunch of conmen Aldi have got into bed with ?
  • bargepole
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    Hovite wrote: »
    Would you mind if I used you post on the Aldi website ( edited of course ! ) to indicate what a bunch of conmen Aldi have got into bed with ?
    Go for it.

    I have been providing assistance, including Lay Representation at Court hearings (current score: won 57, lost 14), to defendants in parking cases for over 5 years. I have an LLB (Hons) degree, and have a Graduate Diploma in Civil Litigation from CILEx. However, any advice given on these forums by me is NOT formal legal advice, and I accept no liability for its accuracy.
  • Hovite_2
    Hovite_2 Posts: 749 Forumite
    Done - thank you.
  • I'd suggest anyone who has a witness statement in a claim checks as to its authenticity .
  • If anyone would like to see the witness statements, they are here.

    http://parking-prankster.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/parkingeye-caught-out-using-post-dated.html
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  • Guys_Dad
    Guys_Dad Posts: 11,025 Forumite
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    If anyone would like to see the witness statements, they are here.

    http://parking-prankster.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/parkingeye-caught-out-using-post-dated.html

    What is not 100% clear is whether these witness statements that were signed by the same person were on behalf of one or more than one landowner/management company. If this was the case, then PE would be guilty of fraud and should they have used one of these statements in court, they would be in the deepest do-do.
  • 4consumerrights
    4consumerrights Posts: 2,002 Forumite
    edited 5 November 2013 at 7:39PM
    Yet more scandal for PE! Where will it end?

    Of course a signed witness statement stating authority to act is NO substitution for the actual original contract between the landowner and parking company (assuming one exists) as terms and conditions and indeed the authority to pursue charges through the courts may vary considerably.
  • Coupon-mad
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    Needs bumping so others see this!

    Everyone putting in a 'defence' to a PE Court claim must mention this cancelled claim (and the Walkden case too) as the reason why a PE witness statement is unacceptable as evidence.
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  • trisontana
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    edited 6 November 2013 at 11:24AM
    It would be interesting to hear zzzLazyDaisy's thoughts on this matter. Over on PePiPoo there is talk of perjury.
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  • bargepole
    bargepole Posts: 3,237 Forumite
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    trisontana wrote: »
    It would be interesting to hear zzzLazyDaisy's thoughts on this matter. Over on PePiPoo there is talk of perjury.
    Or maybe attempting to Pervert the Course of Justice? And we all know what happened to Chris Huhne and Vicky Price ...

    I have been providing assistance, including Lay Representation at Court hearings (current score: won 57, lost 14), to defendants in parking cases for over 5 years. I have an LLB (Hons) degree, and have a Graduate Diploma in Civil Litigation from CILEx. However, any advice given on these forums by me is NOT formal legal advice, and I accept no liability for its accuracy.
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