child maintaince 2013 system

jules6810

Hi
I am after some information, support, advice about the new 2013 Child Maintance system.
I received a letter last week telling me that my case with the Csa is being closed and transferring to the new system, cms.
I am reading that I will be charged £20 to use this service? is this the case for everyone being transferred? It doesnt seem fair when my case has been transferred and I am not making a new claim.
Can anyone explain the new system at all, I cant seem to find much information about it, will it make much difference to payments? when they are paid etc etc.
Please share any experiences with me, many thanks in advance

Alpine

The new system is designed to encourage the PWC and NRP to come to a direct arrangement based on the actual costs of raising the child(ren). There are a couple of forms that can be used to determine what the NRP should pay the PWC:

This one helps detail how much it actually costs to raise your child:

http://www.cmoptions.org/en/pdfs/refresh/cost-of-raising-your-child.pdf

Then this one to formalise the totals:

http://www.cmoptions.org/en/pdfs/refresh/family-based-arrangement-form.pdf

If the PWC or NRP are not very nice to the other, then there are further options. These involve the statutory approach which will either cost you a little money or a lot of money.

The little money approach is where the NRP or PWC is charged £20 to calculate the amount to be paid. This can happen because either the NRP believes they will pay less than it actually costs to raise the child, or the PWC will push for this if they believe they will get more money than their child needs. The NRP still needs to pay the PWC directly.

Then there is the lot of money approach when the CSA not only calculate the amount, but also collect it. In this case, the NRP can expect to be charged an extra 20% and the PWC will lose between 4% and 7% (yet to be determined). It is not yet known whether this can be enforced when the NRP is willing to pay the PWC but the PWC is being obstructive.

As always, the Government site is woefully lacking in information about the process:

https://www.gov.uk/child-maintenance

PreludeForTimeFeelers

There are no charges in place on the 2012 scheme yet - this will come into play next year. Your case has been transferred over because the other party in your case has another case opening on the 2012 scheme.

PreludeForTimeFeelers

As for whether it'll make much difference re:payments, not a great deal to be honest. They should be as regular as they previously were. The amount may be slightly different as it is based on gross income rather than net income.

his_wife

just had a quick browse, at the links , and based on them, i am definitley being short changed,,, if parents could between them come to an agreement, then the csa wouldnt be needed in the first place!

jules6810

I had a private agreement with my ex, he continued to mess me about, sometimes he would pay, then he would refuse then he would only give me half etc etc. So I decided to use the CSA, after begging me to reconsider, and a promise of sorting things out, I decided to give it a go. Again, 3 months down the line back to square one. So I am now using the CSA. Its took months to set up, 2 payments have been received, and now I get a letter telling me I am being transferred to the new sytem, due to another case. The ex is not happy, so has gone on sick, back to square one again I think.
If we could do things amicably then I would be all for it, but he just does not believe he should pay, so its the only option for me.

jules6810

Still none the wiser with this situation, the 2012 scheme are still chasing him for information, well that's what I get told.
The deduction of earning order that was set up has been cancelled, and he is no longer paying a penny. I get told each time I point this out "dont worry it will be back dated".
Back dated wont feed and cloth and my daughter now though will it.
The latest information (today) they are waiting for him to reply, I got told that last week and the week before. What a joke.
Anybody else had issues?

PreludeForTimeFeelers

Is he self-employed? If he's now on the 2012 Scheme then they can get his income details within about 30 seconds.

HoneyNutLoop

The op said at post #6 that the paying parent had gone sick from work recently so it's possible they are having to gather income details the old fashioned way. Op, is it just income details they are waiting for? If it's been a few weeks I would be finding out if they are planning to contact the employer for this info? Or maybe rejecting the paying parents request to use current income and continue forward with the income supplied by HMRC (assuming this isn't one of the cases when HMRC hasn't been able to provide any info).

chirpchirp

I will be furious if I get charged. I had a court agreement in place until the NRP went to the CSA to be assessed and they were able to over rule the court order!

Will I be charged as the recipient of the maintenance or will he as the person who instigated it with the CSA? When does this come in?

PreludeForTimeFeelers

chirpchirp wrote: »

I will be furious if I get charged. I had a court agreement in place until the NRP went to the CSA to be assessed and they were able to over rule the court order!

Will I be charged as the recipient of the maintenance or will he as the person who instigated it with the CSA? When does this come in?

As you've got a current case, with payments currently being made, I would guess that your case won't be closed before the end of next year at the very earliest. If the two of you then want a case opened on the 2012 Scheme then the applicant would be liable to pay an application fee (currently proposed to be £20). This would allow a case and a calculation to be worked out - you'd then be encouraged to establish payments directly between the two of you. If these don't work out then you could ask the Child Maintenance Service to collect the payments on your behalf, this would be subject to a 4% charge for the receiving parent and a 20% charge for the paying parent, eg if maintenance due is £100 per month, the paying parent would have to pay £120 per month, and the receiving parent would get £96 per month. The other £24 would go to the Govt to ease some of the burden on the taxpayer.