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Energy comes at a very high price - get over it.
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Thrugelmir wrote: »Then the Government of the day ends up dispensing winter fuel allowances at enormous cost. Which wastes yet more taxpayers money.
Over a £100 a year per average household in green taxes seems rather excessive.
Wasn't WFA brought in, before all this green stuff, to acknowledge rapidly increasing bills without having to give a politically unaccepatble uplift in general pensions?"If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
I found it interetsing that an energy executive compared green/socila levies akin to poll tax.
A fixed levy irrespective of ability to pay.
Suggested that it should be recoverd progressively under income tax, if required."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
grizzly1911 wrote: »I found it interetsing that an energy executive compared green/socila levies akin to poll tax.
A fixed levy irrespective of ability to pay.
Suggested that it should be recoverd progressively under income tax, if required.
it's not a 'fixed' levy in the direct sense i.e. each customer doesn't pay the same sum
the total cost of green levies is part of the total costs of the company
the charge to the customer depends upon their usage: the more you use the more you pay (including the green levy)0 -
it's not a 'fixed' levy in the direct sense i.e. each customer doesn't pay the same sum
the total cost of green levies is part of the total costs of the company
the charge to the customer depends upon their usage: the more you use the more you pay (including the green levy)
But the energy company executive clearly intended to imply that his company was being forced by government to impose a fixed charge for green initiatives irrespective of the customers' ability to pay.
TruckerTAccording to Clapton, I am a totally ignorant idiot.0 -
grizzly1911 wrote: »Do you have children?
Say Percy has two kids and his bill goes up by 40%. His bill will still be well under the £1500 year average.
I'm a little dubious about the 'average' bill - it's been £1500 according to the media as long as I can remember. Isn't anyone else noticing, that for all the hysteria, their bills aren't going up by 10% twice per year?
Energy is getting less cheap but this seems to be a perfect media story. All hyperbole and no evidence.0 -
The only way the government can reduce bill is to subsidise them from general taxation, then guess what, those of us who budget for their bills wont get any help, surprise.0
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it's not a 'fixed' levy in the direct sense i.e. each customer doesn't pay the same sum
the total cost of green levies is part of the total costs of the company
the charge to the customer depends upon their usage: the more you use the more you pay (including the green levy)
True but it is a "tax" irrespective of ability to pay."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
Say Percy has two kids and his bill goes up by 40%. His bill will still be well under the £1500 year average.
I'm a little dubious about the 'average' bill - it's been £1500 according to the media as long as I can remember. Isn't anyone else noticing, that for all the hysteria, their bills aren't going up by 10% twice per year?
Energy is getting less cheap but this seems to be a perfect media story. All hyperbole and no evidence.
It is difficult to be average in most measures.
MIL last year was paying ~£2000 last year (4 bed) my mother ~£600 in a (3 bed). Ours is around £1250 in a well insulated, effecient aplianced house.
You berated me when I suggested our usuage will fall now the last child has gone to Uni. Running dishwashers daily, washing machines at least daily, showering for 40 mins a time, lights left on, TVs/PCs/chargers for umpteen gizmos in multiple rooms all makes a difference. I am sure our usage will drop.
Inflation is different for different people but we still refer to RPI/CPI etc.
Each time I roll over my enrgy contract the unit costs always increase pro rata to the relative annual increases. I may reduce my bill lturning everything off and living in a cool cave to reduce bills it doesn't remove the fact that energy costs are escalating.
If there is no alternative then the government should be honest and simply tell people mto expect the worst and accept the consequences."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
grizzly1911 wrote: »True but it is a "tax" irrespective of ability to pay.
yes that is right
it's not quite as regressive as a flat 'poll' tax but unrelated to the consumers income except that poorer people will typically have smaller bills
a bit like corporation tax that is passed to consumers irrespective of income levels0 -
yes that is right
it's not quite as regressive as a flat 'poll' tax but unrelated to the consumers income except that poorer people will typically have smaller bills
a bit like corporation tax that is passed to consumers irrespective of income levels
Corporation tax, if not aggresively avoided, is only payable on profit. The need to pay increasing dividends, to satisfy markets and investors, is another example. Dividends that may be better spent investing for sustainability and or more competive pricing.
Profit can arise when goods and services are sold for more than they cost. Thye may also arise from windfall gains - no doubt Mount Pleasnt sorting office may fall into that category in due course.
In the case of truly discretionary spending then that is up to consumer choice. It is also consumer choice when their is real choice of supply or differentiated products that will achieve the same ends."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0
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