Jobseeker's and pay in arrears

superwizon

missapril75 wrote: »

Not like that.
Your last wage is actually irrelevant. If you were monthly paid you would still get paid JSA from the same date, meaning you would get it before the next monthly salary.

I suspect that when you raised the issue at the job centre, the member of staff may have suggested that your last wage might still mean you have money. After all, wages are usually a higher rate than JSA.

This would be why so many people here have suggested the same thing.

This is what I have been trying to say though, that I think the Jobcentre is wrong, they did it to my bf a couple of years ago and made him wait a month before he was entitled to any money just because he was paid monthly.
I don't think this is right though because when I signed on a few years ago as a part time worker, even when I went over 16 hours and signed off, I could start my claim back up straight away, even though I was paid monthly.

Is there any way you think I can word this to the jobcentre to make them understand?

superwizon

RAS wrote: »

You do NOT need JSA to claim LHA and CTB. These are based on your income and you really must apply for them tomorrow becasue you will lose a whole week's money if you wait until Monday.

Yeah but as it's based on income, if you don't have any income you cannot claim HB, I had this a few years ago when I lost my job and was not entitled to JSA, I put in a claim for HB and it took them weeks to tell me actually I was not entitled to HB as I did not have any income. I guess this is because they assume you're working cash in hand if you have no income on paper.

RAS

superwizon wrote: »

Yeah but as it's based on income, if you don't have any income you cannot claim HB, I had this a few years ago when I lost my job and was not entitled to JSA, I put in a claim for HB and it took them weeks to tell me actually I was not entitled to HB as I did not have any income. I guess this is because they assume you're working cash in hand if you have no income on paper.

What you were told years ago is irrelevant.

You need to operate within the rules that apply NOW.

Please get your aplication in today.

Or are you trying to deliberately self destruct?

superwizon

RAS wrote: »

What you were told years ago is irrelevant.

You need to operate within the rules that apply NOW.

Please get your aplication in today.

Or are you trying to deliberately self destruct?

No, I already said I have put my claim in, but until I have confirmation from the Jobcentre regarding my JSA claim, my HB claim will not be sorted anyway.

And if you're right then I'm glad the councils have changed their policy, just because I can't claim JSA that shouldn't mean I am not entitled to HB.

missapril75

superwizon wrote: »

...they did it to my bf a couple of years ago and made him wait a month before he was entitled to any money just because he was paid monthly. ...

I think something else was the cause.

Last wages (normal wages) for full time work, and the payment frequency of them have no bearing on it. There are the 3 waiting days and entitlement begins from the fourth day.

The actual payment of JSA then fits in with the applicant's signing time; this might mean being paid after only a week (only a week's JSA) but then waiting 2 weeks for the next one or just waiting two weeks. (trying to avoid being bogged down in detail)

If the payment comes after 4 weeks (due to admin delay or delay in necessary information provided) then it would be 4 weeks money.

Exceptions to this could be where holiday pay or pay in lieu was involved which could delay entitlement depending which type of JSA was involved.


Just had a thought...crisis loans used to be available for where people had to wait for first payment. I have seen mention of an alternative that replaces them. Short term benefit advance or something.

Now in your case, you might have raised the question "how do I manage until I get my payment" and the member of staff then considers the advance (not necessarily calling it by it's official name) but is aware of your wage and then does a quick mental calculation and considers that the wage is equivalent to a couple of weeks JSA, and concludes it's enough to last until the JSA is actually due.

That's just a theory as to how things went, as I don't know how the application of these advances are dealt with, but it's based on years of experience of when crisis loans were considered.

superwizon

missapril75 wrote: »

I think something else was the cause.

Last wages (normal wages) for full time work, and the payment frequency of them have no bearing on it. There are the 3 waiting days and entitlement begins from the fourth day.

The actual payment of JSA then fits in with the applicant's signing time; this might mean being paid after only a week (only a week's JSA) but then waiting 2 weeks for the next one or just waiting two weeks. (trying to avoid being bogged down in detail)

If the payment comes after 4 weeks (due to admin delay or delay in necessary information provided) then it would be 4 weeks money.

Exceptions to this could be where holiday pay or pay in lieu was involved which could delay entitlement depending which type of JSA was involved.


Just had a thought...crisis loans used to be available for where people had to wait for first payment. I have seen mention of an alternative that replaces them. Short term benefit advance or something.

Now in your case, you might have raised the question "how do I manage until I get my payment" and the member of staff then considers the advance (not necessarily calling it by it's official name) but is aware of your wage and then does a quick mental calculation and considers that the wage is equivalent to a couple of weeks JSA, and concludes it's enough to last until the JSA is actually due.

That's just a theory as to how things went, as I don't know how the application of these advances are dealt with, but it's based on years of experience of when crisis loans were considered.

Yeah I don't mind waiting for my money as long as I get paid for the whole period, I was told that I am not entitled to any money, that was my issue. I mean I am waiting for my complaint to be dealt with, I will let you know on the outcome to see if these are actually the regulations.
And when I asked how I am supposed to survive, the woman on the phone did not mention any sort of advance/crisis loan.
As long as I know I will receive enough money to pay my bills I don't mind, it's the thought that in two weeks time I might only receive one week's money which will leave me behind on everything.

And in my bf's case, the jobcentre made it quite clear that it was because he had just received a month's wage, not because of any holiday pay/pay in lieu.

missapril75

Check this link


How do payments at the end of a job affect JSA?

Contribution based JSA is not affected by most payments including redundancy and severance payments. If you get a pension from work JSA(C) is reduced by any amount over £50 a week.
For income based JSA:

• a statutory redundancy payment counts as capital
• contractual redundancy pay or severance pay only count as capital up the amount of any statutory redundancy pay you would be entitled to.

You can work out a statutory redundancy payment using this ready reckoner.

• Example: Ailsa would get £3000 as a statutory redundancy payment. She actually gets £10,000 when she leaves work under a voluntary severance scheme. Only £3000 of this counts as capital for Jobseekers Allowance. The rest is ignored.

Most other payments you get when you leave work, for example pay in lieu of notice, holiday pay and ex gratia payments are usually ignored. However if you get any wages in lieu, you will probably not be able to claim benefit until the period they cover expires. It is still advisable to contact Jobcentre Plus to make a claim. You can sign on throughout your lieu of notice period to make sure that you get NI Contribution credits.

Sometimes the payments count as capital. But it specifically mentions how pay in lieu can cancel the period it's paid for.

It says that because that is not the way normal wages are treated.

superwizon

just a little update.

everyone i have spoken to on the phone, including someone from the prime ministers office have told me my last wage means i was not entitled to JSA for a week, as I had just received a week's pay, but now my claim has been sorted, they still paid me from the date I claimed minus the 3 waiting days! so nobody has a clue what they're talking about, obviously my last wage was irrelevant, even though all the jobcentre workers told me otherwise!

mikey_bach

Final wages don't affect the first payment for JSA.
If a person is paid for work that they completed prior to making the claim then the wages will not effect the claim.

As said the OP would have to lose the first three days like anyone starting a new claim for JSA for the first time.

But if the OP had an existing JSA running and did part time work and finished then his last wages for his part time work would be attributed forward one week and would effect the following JSA payment, then the earnings would be removed thus not effecting the following weeks JSA