Attitudes [to house prices] are changing

Loughton_Monkey

Graham_Devon wrote: »

What you have linked to simply states that 66% "equivalent to 2,806,852 adults in Scotland"

It does NOT state that asked only people living in Scotland. Just extrapolates the numbers to the scottish population as it's a Scottish publication.

OK Graham. You don't have to read my posts.

Loughton_Monkey wrote: »

http://www.allmediascotland.com/media-releases/55062/majority-of-scots-dont-back-house-price-rises-says-survey/

But I must just be having one of those days. When I read

Majority of Scots don’t back house price rises – says survey

THE majority of people in Scotland want house prices to remain at their current levels or to fall, according to a new survey by housing and homelessness charity Shelter Scotland.

The survey by You Gov found that 66 per cent – equivalent to 2,806,852 adults in Scotland – want house prices to remain the same or go down in value (1).

Meanwhile 64 per cent – equivalent to 2,721,796 adults in Scotland – think house prices in Britain are too high.

77 per cent – equivalent to 3,274,661 adults in Scotland – think that there is an urgent need for government to make housing more affordable for young couples and families.

.... something in me just jumped to the conclusion they were talking about Scotland.

Loughton_Monkey

Graham_Devon wrote: »

.....Well this thread went well. I honestly thought that was some of the most in depth research on house prices we've seen for some time.

Well it went just as well as any other.

Just keep churning them out, and keep us all entertained.

Maybe base your next rant on this:

http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/a-e74d-Royal-Mail-fire-sale-rips-taxpayers-off-for-11-billion

We could have spent that 1.1 billion on 10,000 new homes, and house about 40,000 people on housing benefit.

THE_MASKED_TURNIP

Really Mr Devon, really?

chewmylegoff

I wonder why yougov didn't split out the "want prices to fall" and "want prices to stay the same" and presented the two in aggregate but gladly gave the % who want prices to increase. The percentage of people who want prices to fall could in fact be 0%. Obviously this is unlikely but it does seen to suggest they are trying to skew the stats in favour of their argument rather than present the data objectively.

chucky

chewmylegoff wrote: »

I wonder why yougov didn't split out the "want prices to fall" and "want prices to stay the same" and presented the two in aggregate but gladly gave the % who want prices to increase. The percentage of people who want prices to fall could in fact be 0%. Obviously this is unlikely but it does seen to suggest they are trying to skew the stats in favour of their argument rather than present the data objectively.

Who pays for the YouGov research? If it was Shelter, it would explain it.

chucknorris

Do the people who want house prices to fall expect this to happen in an otherwise healthy economy? Or do they wish for this to happen in the mythical land of pixies and magic frogs where the economy can be flourishing alongside falling house prices? Or perhaps linking the health of the economy and house prices is beyond them.

Prothet_of_Doom

Loughton_Monkey wrote: »

Not worth reading.

Really... Think about what people really want...

Unless you are in negative equity, (and I know one person who is), or if you bought a home that is too big for your needs, intending to downsize as your pension plan, then there is no way you want to see house prices rise.
Oh and of course BTL landlords, so they can borrow more, and use the equity as leverage for another house.

If you are not on the property ladder, if you are a young family, with your first house which is a bit small, if you have teenage kids and you want to see them fly the nest, why would you want house prices to rise.

Take my own case. 3 bed house bought in 1998, (£60K - 3 times my salary) was just about big enough with infant school and pre-school child.
4 bed house would have been £95K. Gap was abit big, but with saving and promotions, and wife going back to work, by 2004, if prices had stayed the same we could have had the house of our dreams. Move to 2008, and the gap was £200K

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£170K vs £370K.

Kids are on the cusp of adulthood, and a house like ours (a 1966 starter home) will be 8 times what they expect to earn.

Prothet_of_Doom

chewmylegoff wrote: »

I wonder why yougov didn't split out the "want prices to fall" and "want prices to stay the same" and presented the two in aggregate but gladly gave the % who want prices to increase. The percentage of people who want prices to fall could in fact be 0%. Obviously this is unlikely but it does seen to suggest they are trying to skew the stats in favour of their argument rather than present the data objectively.

It is true, you can manipulate data, which is why they should offer the raw data, so it can be peer reviewed.

If they just gave me an excel spreadsheet with the data, I would be able to manipulate it to say, "People in houses want the homeless to get a job and stop being lazy"......If the conservatives pay for my analysis

Prothet_of_Doom

chucknorris wrote: »

Do the people who want house prices to fall expect this to happen in an otherwise healthy economy? Or do they wish for this to happen in the mythical land of pixies and magic frogs where the economy can be flourishing alongside falling house prices? Or perhaps linking the health of the economy and house prices is beyond them.

Maybe, just maybe, what people really want is the gradual removal of the artificial drivers of house price inflation.

Land Banks held by property firms, Tight planning regulations making land without planning cheap and land with planning expensive, (get rid of the green belt if you must) lack of councis building good social housing at fair rents, 500K houses which are empty, 250K spaces above shops, which could be converted to housing. Brown field sites that sit idle.

Tackle all of these and the economy can grow whilst house prices don't.


Just come back from the USA (Ohio) where they seem to be able to build what they want anywhere they like, and house prices are dirty cheap. Because the land is cheap, because planning permission is easy to get.

seven-day-weekend

[QUOTE=Graham_Devon;63461297

Even among outright homeowners (those without
mortgages), more people want prices to stay the
same or fall than want them to rise (67% vs 28%).[/QUOTE]

I don't know what political persuasion Shelter is, but I am in the group mentioned above and I don't want house prices to rise. I want ordinary people on ordinary salaries to be able to buy a house on the equivalent of one income, (or two maybe in London), like we did.

Some friends of my son's live in London,they are in their thirties and one of them is a teacher. They can still only afford to live in a shared house with six other people. This is not right, imho.