Release of Tracy Conelly

shaun_from_Africa

scheming_gypsy wrote: »

They'd also need a story for her new fella / friends etc. as to why she's having the baby taken off her.

I can just imagine the stampede by human rights lawyers trying to sign up the father concerned.
The courts/social services might be able to get an order to take the baby from the mother, but if the father is innocent of any crime, I can't imagine they will be able to remove it from his care without one hell of a fight.

unholyangel

Yes a judge sits and listens to the facts.....then he also listens to mitigation. What amazes me is what is given in mitigation.

For example, recently there was a postie in northern Scotland who was sneaking into houses on his rounds and raping women. In mitigation, his lawyer said he'd held a job down for x years. Thus giving the impression its fine to rape women, providing you're a taxpayer.

Wth kind of justice system is that?

While middle eastern countries are behind in some matters, I do actually like one aspect of their justice system. In many cases, they allow the victim or the victims family to choose from a range of punishments.

sweetstudent

unholyangel wrote: »

Yes a judge sits and listens to the facts.....then he also listens to mitigation. What amazes me is what is given in mitigation.

For example, recently there was a postie in northern Scotland who was sneaking into houses on his rounds and raping women. In mitigation, his lawyer said he'd held a job down for x years. Thus giving the impression its fine to rape women, providing you're a taxpayer.

Wth kind of justice system is that?

While middle eastern countries are behind in some matters, I do actually like one aspect of their justice system. In many cases, they allow the victim or the victims family to choose from a range of punishments.

Whilst in some cases there can be mitigating circumstances but in the above case there is nothing that can be classed as mitigating circumstances and in my first post how can anybody try and justify what happened to 'baby peter' in a court of law?

And I would support justice from middle eastern countries - it may be harsh but it may be the only type of punishment violent offenders understand! Some crimes are so abhorrent that the only suitable sentence should be the death penalty

jacques_chirac

sweetstudent wrote: »

Whilst in some cases there can be mitigating circumstances but in the above case there is nothing that can be classed as mitigating circumstances and in my first post how can anybody try and justify what happened to 'baby peter' in a court of law?

And I would support justice from middle eastern countries - it may be harsh but it may be the only type of punishment violent offenders understand! Some crimes are so abhorrent that the only suitable sentence should be the death penalty

Mitigation is not about excusing the crime, it gives a wider view of the defendant's background. A child abuser may have been in an abusive relationship themselves, either as a child or at the hands of their partner. It doesn't make what they did ok, but it might give some insight into their actions.

I am not aware that anyone has tried to justify what happened in this case, or to excuse it, but there are valid reasons why her minimum sentence was far lower than his.