Supervising learner driver

vaio

atrixblue.-MFR-. wrote: »

.......you need insurance to DRIVE, not be in charge although, you commit an offence of driving whithout insurance if you were to over from the learner even just by grabbing the steering wheel if you not covered by your own or insured on the vehicle being used.

you are also responsible for tires condition MOT and VED to be current on the vehicle if you use your own car.

so with the instructor grabbing the wheel and the learner still on the pedals you can have two people driving at the same time? and both need to be insured? Who is liable for any incidents?

Where does "control" come into this as per your post #26?

Obviously if it's your car you are responsible for tyres/MOT etc but it seems strange the same doesn't apply if it's the learners car as you are in charge/control.

As Aretnap posted......

....Can you back any of that up with a link to an actual law rather than a random website?....

atrixblue.-MFR-.

Aretnap wrote: »

Can you back any of that up with a link to an actual law rather than a random website?

It's a fallacy to say that the supervisor has the same legal responsibilities as the driver. In the case of mobile phones there's a specific clause in the legislation which makes it illegal to supervise a learner while using one - there'd be no need for that clause if the supervisor was automatically treated as if he was driving. I believe some drunk supervisors have been prosecuted for being drunk in charge, but not for drink driving. And there are plenty of requirements on the driver which quite clearly don't apply to the supervisor. The driver must be "in such a position that he [can]have proper control of the vehicle" for example - fancy driving a car from the passenger seat and explaining to a cop that you're in a position to have proper control over it? Similarly there appears to be no requirement for the supervisor to be insured to drive the vehicle, though it's probably a good idea. And if the car goes over the speed limit it's the driver who gets the points, not the supervisor.

they are in there dotted here there an anywhere within uk legislation but also DSA rules (approved by parliament) and parts of terms and condition of holding a full UK driving license the DVLA (approved by parliament) has put in place (not law BTW but acts passed in parliament I keep the lawful and legal as separate entities).

I didn't say they would be done for drink driving, I said you are deemed to be in charge, which are there in legislation, regulation and parliament approved standards. its a headache to try and put all these in one place hence why you wont find it on a single or two parts of legislation in plain sight, look at many driver training school websites AA RAC they will all point out the standards and legal responsibilities of a supervisor of learner driver.

atrixblue.-MFR-.

vaio wrote: »

so with the instructor grabbing the wheel and the learner still on the pedals you can have two people driving at the same time? and both need to be insured? Who is liable for any incidents?

Where does "control" come into this as per your post #26?

Obviously if it's your car you are responsible for tyres/MOT etc but it seems strange the same doesn't apply if it's the learners car as you are in charge/control.

As Aretnap posted......

ah this is getting stupid, read a few website like AA RAC driver training courses, they simplified and put in one place the legal repsonsibilities of a supervisor of a learner driver so its not been over complicated to understand.

if you despute that or aretnap, then prove me wrong and ill apologise to you both.

it does apply to the learner car, which I meant to add in there but I removed it upon editing my post and forgot to add it back which I apologise for.