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Biggest Threats to Cyclists?
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Good post custardy - it's all about trying to find ways of existing together.
I rarely send trucks into cities and we aren't in construction and whilst I understand the rationale behind restricting certain types of vehicle at certain times, it would make for 'interesting' planning. Either drivers only earn a small amount ( and drivers are often poorly paid to start with) because they drive between say, 9.30 and 16.00. Or you start them early and pay them for sitting around for a few hours (:eek: - I'm an employer!) whilst they aren't working. How about the places you deliver and collect from, will they start earlier and work later so that the drivers can earn money? If someone told me that I could only work at my desk job between certain hours and get reduced pay, unless I wanted to make those hours up by getting up at silly o'clock, I'd not be overly impressed.
The End - actually mirrors on trucks show most of the vehicle. As I said before, that tfl video has a lot of faults, including inadequate mirrors and bad positioning of the near side mirror. However, even with an excellent mirror system that shows just about every inch of the vehicle, by the time you have checked mirror 6 or 7 or 8, the view in the first mirror has changed......so look at mirror 1 and repeat. I always say that every road user has to be aware of everyone else, but it's a lot easier to be aware of something big than something small - that may not be fair, but it's the reality.0 -
The TFL video is wrong because the main reason the driver can't see the cyclists is because the cab has already begun to turn, reducing the angle of view significantly.
If the cab in the video was parallel to the trailer I daresay most of those cyclists would be in view.0 -
The TFL video is wrong because the main reason the driver can't see the cyclists is because the cab has already begun to turn, reducing the angle of view significantly.
If the cab in the video was parallel to the trailer I daresay most of those cyclists would be in view.
They are called A R T I C U L A T E D vehicles, have a look on google:think:.
BTW, you still haven't confirmed if you advocate cyclists jumping red lights?0 -
The TFL video is wrong because the main reason the driver can't see the cyclists is because the cab has already begun to turn, reducing the angle of view significantly.
If the cab in the video was parallel to the trailer I daresay most of those cyclists would be in view.
They would! As I said before, it relies on the truck driver and the cyclists not moving - in reality, you would see that there were a group of cyclists before you started the turn.
I'm not going to slate that video, because it does bring awareness of the limitations, but there is a lot wrong with it!0 -
Good post custardy - it's all about trying to find ways of existing together.
I rarely send trucks into cities and we aren't in construction and whilst I understand the rationale behind restricting certain types of vehicle at certain times, it would make for 'interesting' planning. Either drivers only earn a small amount ( and drivers are often poorly paid to start with) because they drive between say, 9.30 and 16.00. Or you start them early and pay them for sitting around for a few hours (:eek: - I'm an employer!) whilst they aren't working. How about the places you deliver and collect from, will they start earlier and work later so that the drivers can earn money? If someone told me that I could only work at my desk job between certain hours and get reduced pay, unless I wanted to make those hours up by getting up at silly o'clock, I'd not be overly impressed.
The End - actually mirrors on trucks show most of the vehicle. As I said before, that tfl video has a lot of faults, including inadequate mirrors and bad positioning of the near side mirror. However, even with an excellent mirror system that shows just about every inch of the vehicle, by the time you have checked mirror 6 or 7 or 8, the view in the first mirror has changed......so look at mirror 1 and repeat. I always say that every road user has to be aware of everyone else, but it's a lot easier to be aware of something big than something small - that may not be fair, but it's the reality.
but here we get even more complicated
imagine a truck decides to swing from the right to turn left at lights, with no warning
often on those types of junctions in cities have railings on the corner to protect AKA corral pedestrians
Where does the cyclist go when they are aware of this truck?
Roads are designed around cars and trucks. pure and simple
at best cycling infrastructure.pedestrians etc come a poor second and usual an after thought
Edinburgh is a prime example from its recent tram works that lasted years
now we have tracks with absolutely no thought given to cyclists after near £1 billion spent0 -
They are called A R T I C U L A T E D vehicles, have a look on google:think:.
BTW, you still haven't confirmed if you advocate cyclists jumping red lights?
OK to answer a few of your posts.
- No, I don't advocate jumping red lights but I am saying that the claims that all cyclists are dangerous because they jump red lights is complete nonsense and the stats show that. Not a single one of these 6 deaths was caused by a cyclist jumping a red light and I think you'll be hard pressed to find cyclist deaths caused by jumping red lights(the same cannot be said of deaths caused by cars jumping red lights though).
- Do I think banning HGV's from City Centres during peak times is an option that should be looked at? Yes I do. Paris ban HGV's during peak hours and had zero cyclists deaths during 2012.
- Yes, they are articulated lorries. So the fact the cab lets you turn and reduce your visibility alongside the vehicle to zero means the driver cannot be blamed for making a left turn and crushing people? My car lets me drive at over 100MPH so if I hit someone at that speed can I use the defence 'but the car let me do it so how can I be in the wrong?'
Here's some info for those who seem to think it's reckless cyclists causing these deaths
The lorry driver who killed cyclist Catriona Patel was drunk and chatting on a mobile.
The lorry driver who killed Eilidh Cairns had faulty eyesight (the police didn't even bother to discover this until the same driver killed another woman.)
The lorry driver who killed cyclist Brian Dorling turned across his path.
The lorry driver who killed cyclist Svetlana Tereschenko was in an unsafe lorry, failing to indicate and chatting on a mobile. The police decided to charge him with..nothing.
The lorry driver who killed cyclist Deep Lee failed to notice her and smashed into her from behind.
The lorry driver that killed cyclist Andrew McNicoll failed to notice him and side swiped him.
The lorry driver that killed cyclist Daniel Cox was in a truck which did not have the correct mirrors and whose driver had pulled into the ASL on a red light and was indicating in the opposite direction to which he turned.0 -
Here's some info for those who seem to think it's reckless cyclists causing these deaths
The lorry driver who killed cyclist Catriona Patel was drunk and chatting on a mobile.
The lorry driver who killed Eilidh Cairns had faulty eyesight (the police didn't even bother to discover this until the same driver killed another woman.)
The lorry driver who killed cyclist Brian Dorling turned across his path.
The lorry driver who killed cyclist Svetlana Tereschenko was in an unsafe lorry, failing to indicate and chatting on a mobile. The police decided to charge him with..nothing.
The lorry driver who killed cyclist Deep Lee failed to notice her and smashed into her from behind.
The lorry driver that killed cyclist Andrew McNicoll failed to notice him and side swiped him.
The lorry driver that killed cyclist Daniel Cox was in a truck which did not have the correct mirrors and whose driver had pulled into the ASL on a red light and was indicating in the opposite direction to which he turned.
That must have taken some doing, cases from as far back as 2009 and at least one of them was in Scotland. In that time there have been close to 400 cycling fatalities and you have managed to find 7 where an HGV driver was probably at fault.0 -
That must have taken some doing, cases from as far back as 2009 and at least one of them was in Scotland. In that time there have been close to 400 cycling fatalities and you have managed to find 7 where an HGV driver was probably at fault.
Is 7 not enough?
Does Scotland not count?0
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