lodger problem - landlord using deposit.

smartpicture

tight_is_right wrote: »

This thread is absurd. There is no way anybody would go out and buy a new hob if they did that to their own, it's such a tiny insignificant mark and is purely superficial.

Sorry, you're wrong. I've just had a new kitchen done, and if my lodger made such a mark then you can bet I absolutely would expect to be put back in the position I was in before, ie a perfect new hob. I didn't spend £x,000 just to have it marked through no fault of my own, and I know I would see that 'insignificant' mark every time I looked at it.

martinsurrey wrote: »

the LL is not the OPS mother!

Completely agree.

keyser666

The top hob element by the look of it would come away and can be replaced by another, i wuld look to see how much this costs and if viable replace and sell the old hob as mentioned.

Alternatively clean the whole hob with what you used so it is all matching and the same colour ;-)

BitterAndTwisted

danshah316 wrote: »

The hob is a caple C769G and the LL has told me that the whole hob needs replacing. I was hoping it would be just the part.

Just because your landlord told you that, doesn't make it true!

Buy the Bosch product which has been recommended. Use it. If that doesn't work get looking around to see if a replacement part can be sourced. If it can, buy it and pay to have it replaced.

tight_is_right

19lottie82 wrote: »

If it couldn't be fixed, of course he / she would.

But nothing is broken, and a hob is going to get wear marks over time. Yes, this isn't a *wear* mark, but it's the same kind of thing.

19lottie82 wrote: »

Again, would you apply this theory if someone scratched your brand new car?

Well a car is going to be exposed to the weather and bare metal will rust, so a repair is *probably* necessary - older cars not so much. Plus it's unlikely you let somebody use your brand new car.

What would OP do if LLs washing machine put a tiny hole in a jumper? What if OP was carrying something past the fridge and accidentally put a little scratch on the door? - new fridge?

19lottie82 wrote: »

So where is the middle ground in your opinion? How do you decide when the OP would need to repair / replace, and when they wouldn't?

Well common sense needs to come into it. Clearly if part of the hob is no longer functional it would need to be fixed, even then, if say 1/4 burners was broken and couldn't be fixed I think most people would put up with it rather than replace the whole unit. However OP would rightly have to compensate LL a decent amount in that case. It's not right that OP should be held to ransom because LL has a convenient deposit.

Forget that the kitchen is brand new, would a replacement still be necessary if there were two little scratches somewhere? How much do these two scratches take off the £380 OP would pay?

I guess the middle ground is, if LL make the same mistake - what would they do?

tight_is_right

smartpicture wrote: »

Sorry, you're wrong. I've just had a new kitchen done, and if my lodger made such a mark then you can bet I absolutely would expect to be put back in the position I was in before, ie a perfect new hob. I didn't spend £x,000 just to have it marked through no fault of my own, and I know I would see that 'insignificant' mark every time I looked at it.

Maybe you should rethink having a lodger then, because if something like that does happen you ain't getting your money.

martinsurrey

tight_is_right wrote: »

I guess the middle ground is, if LL make the same mistake - what would they do?

If I scrached my car, I would curse my stupidity, but be honest and admit to myself that it was my fault, and agree with myself to pay the cost of sorting it out.

you cannot equate damaging your own things and damaging ohter peoples, or you are going to look silly.

BTW damage deductions have NO link to doing work, they are tere to compensate the owner for the damage caused, the LL would be well within his rights to pocket the money and live with the stain.

you may not agere with it, but that doesnt make it any less true.

comeandgo

If a lodger damaged my new property then I would expect them to put it back to the condition it was prior to them damaging it - if that means buying a new hob then so be it, but if they paid for a replacement and fitting then I agree they would own the old one.

keyser666

oops wrong thread

tattycath

Here's the instruction manual. I believe cleaning is on page 3 or 4.
http://www.caple.co.uk/getattachment/68545847-2c20-4bd5-8508-e0b64b1b88a3/Instruction-Manual/

silvercar

If you had scratched someone’s car you would pay for it to be repaired, so either find a way to repair your damage, or accept that you are not seeing your deposit again.

by the way I dont agree with the LL, they sound like horrible petty people, but that doesnt make them wrong!

edit,

if you cant find a way to restore it and since the item is almost brand new, the LL is entilted to the cost of returning his property to the condition it was before you arrived, less fair wear and tear.

this was a new item, with negligable fair wear and tear allowance, so the LL could claim the full replacement cost.

But the LL has also been cooking, so couldn't expect the hob to be "as new".

Given that we are using the car anology, once a car has been driven off the forecourt it has depreciated - same with the hob, it is now not a new item and the LL can't expect a new item as that would be betterment.

You have to judge what price a hob would cost with a small mark on it. Plenty high street retailers sell off showroom models at nearly full price to allow for slight marks. So you are talking of a discount of 10-20% on full price. Anything else would be betterment.

I accept the LL may say they would only by factory perfect models but they have to take into account that they chose to take lodgers.