help re self employed nrp

PreludeForTimeFeelers

HoneyNutLoop wrote: »

Is that definite now?

As near as definite as any of this is!

Nov 25th, I believe.

Ettenna

Mine has now finally filed accounts with companies house. He is taking a salary of approx 7k and taking between £25k and £35k in dividends, depending on the year. His company year runs from august to July. I have got copies of his personal and company bank accounts as part of the divorce paperwork. These show that he has taken £40k out from December 2012 to July 2013 but declared dividends are £25k. Hmmm wonder what he is playing at. I hope he has sent his accounts to the CSA but I doubt it. They will probably have to g them from companies house themselves.

pammii

That's what's wrong with the CSA, as Ettena says, her ex hasn't submitted any tax returns for 4 years so no assessment can be made. Why can't they enforce him to do this? What about all the 'powers' they are supposed to have to make the NRP comply? My ex has constantly jumped between jobs to avoid being assessed and is now 'self-employed' and not completed a tax return so nothing can be claimed from him.

I'm pretty annoyed about the comments from the CSAcaseworker on here too, how are we to know what to mention regarding the NRP's employment or otherwise. I find this despicable and as workers who are being paid to do a job the mere mention of self-employment should trigger them to automatically send the case to the relevant department for investigation.

Nothing is changing is it, the PWC still has to do all the work and gather all the information the CSA need and still they don't deliver.

CSA - continuing to fail our kids.

Ettenna

To be fair, the CSA were quite on the ball with mine initially. They sent the case pretty much straightaway to the section that deals with self employed people. They did all they could I think. It seems their hands are tied if the nrp decides that they are going to be a total a**e. Ex is one of those in all aspects of his life. I am grateful through that he mentioned what he did for a job because now they have something to go on. However, they did say that I cannot send them his accounts, they either have to get them directly from him or from HMRC.

CSAworkerx

pammii wrote: »

That's what's wrong with the CSA, as Ettena says, her ex hasn't submitted any tax returns for 4 years so no assessment can be made. Why can't they enforce him to do this? What about all the 'powers' they are supposed to have to make the NRP comply? My ex has constantly jumped between jobs to avoid being assessed and is now 'self-employed' and not completed a tax return so nothing can be claimed from him.

I'm pretty annoyed about the comments from the CSAcaseworker on here too, how are we to know what to mention regarding the NRP's employment or otherwise. I find this despicable and as workers who are being paid to do a job the mere mention of self-employment should trigger them to automatically send the case to the relevant department for investigation.

Nothing is changing is it, the PWC still has to do all the work and gather all the information the CSA need and still they don't deliver.

CSA - continuing to fail our kids.

I understand your angry, but please think about what your saying in realistic terms, Why cant we enforce him to file tax returns? How exactly are we supposed to do that? Were not the police, we cannot force people to do anything like what your asking.

How are you supposed to know what to mention? The fact is, if you dont mention something, how am i as a caseworker going to know the said thing? Unless you OR the nrp mention something to me, i know nothing.

"My ex has constantly jumped between jobs to avoid being assessed and is now 'self-employed' and not completed a tax return so nothing can be claimed from him."

Your ex is jumping jobs, And also not submitting tax returns, i know its incredibly easy to blame the agency, but HE is the one doing everything he possibly can to avoid us, and paying for your child. Your anger should be redirected to him.

PreludeForTimeFeelers

pammii wrote: »

That's what's wrong with the CSA, as Ettena says, her ex hasn't submitted any tax returns for 4 years so no assessment can be made. Why can't they enforce him to do this? What about all the 'powers' they are supposed to have to make the NRP comply? My ex has constantly jumped between jobs to avoid being assessed and is now 'self-employed' and not completed a tax return so nothing can be claimed from him.

I'm pretty annoyed about the comments from the CSAcaseworker on here too, how are we to know what to mention regarding the NRP's employment or otherwise. I find this despicable and as workers who are being paid to do a job the mere mention of self-employment should trigger them to automatically send the case to the relevant department for investigation.

Nothing is changing is it, the PWC still has to do all the work and gather all the information the CSA need and still they don't deliver.

CSA - continuing to fail our kids.

The CSA have actually got a bit of a stronger case for investigation if the NRP hasn't declared anything to the taxman for such a long period of time - if they know what he does then they can estimate his earnings using best evidence.

pammii

CSAworkerx wrote: »

I understand your angry, but please think about what your saying in realistic terms, Why cant we enforce him to file tax returns? How exactly are we supposed to do that? Were not the police, we cannot force people to do anything like what your asking.

How are you supposed to know what to mention? The fact is, if you dont mention something, how am i as a caseworker going to know the said thing? Unless you OR the nrp mention something to me, i know nothing.

"My ex has constantly jumped between jobs to avoid being assessed and is now 'self-employed' and not completed a tax return so nothing can be claimed from him."

Your ex is jumping jobs, And also not submitting tax returns, i know its incredibly easy to blame the agency, but HE is the one doing everything he possibly can to avoid us, and paying for your child. Your anger should be redirected to him.

Angry :mad: doesn't come close to how I feel. The CSA failed to carry out enforcement proceedings when my ex was working therefore failed to secure maintenance payments. Why does the CSA constantly allow the NRP to get away with not complying? As you say he is doing everything to avoid you, then you just give up and let him get away with :mad:

Ettenna

My case is having a deduction order processed apparently. Not a deduction from wages but a deduction direct from bank account. He will be mighty pee'd off but he hasn't bothered to tell them that he has two children in his house which would lower his payments. He hasn't bothered to tell them that his wage and dividend drawings are lower than they are basing his assessment on either. He is so self-centred that he thinks that he knows everything and no-one can touch him. It has taken 16 months to get to this stage. I know that isn't long compared to many cases but our daughter is 17.5 now.

lazer

Haddon201 wrote: »

Its a courier company, I know he has contracts with small companies that he works for on a daily basis,
he works long hours sometimes until 10 at night and can start as early as 4/5 in the morning which is why making losses makes no sense to me as he is clearly putting the time in.
there cant be many more hours he could put in so I dont see how it could ever show as a profit as the costs involved (ie fuel) are constantly increasing

For the first few years of a business he may be using "tools" he already had (for example a car) and basically selling these "tools" to the business, this makes them a business expense and it is perfectly allowed by tax & accounting laws as long as they are recorded at a fair value and used exclusively for the business.

It costs money to start a business, which is why tax laws allow for start up loses to be carried forward.
Alternatively - he may not have transferred the car to the businss and be claiming mileage at 45p a mile (up to 10,000 miles) but depending on the age of the car it may not cost 45p a mile.

If an tradesman travels 100 mile to do a £100 job according to the profits of the job he is making only £10 but in reality fuel only costs £30 so he considers it worthwhile to do this for 2 reasons - 1) As far as he is concerned he is making £70 profit (The wear and tear on the car is not costing an additional £60 - it is a 12 year car with over 200,000 on it) and 2) Its helping him build a client base - the same client could phone back looking a full re-wire costing £3,000.

As you can see self-employed income isn't the same as earnings as travel costs are deductible, as well as various other expenses.

Haddon201

hi all, just a quick update,
my caseworker called me in the week after nrp returned the forms he had to complete and has been assessed at £25 a week
the downside is they've called him and hes not going to be paying me a penny of it!
Im not worried about that at the minute as im used to not getting anything im just so happy not to have it come back as nil!
been told it will take about 12 weeks of non payment before it will be escalated.

thank you all so much for your previous help and advice