Been sacked. References and JSA

fruitedeli

I've been sacked for chasing and detaining a shoplifter. The verbal policy was not to chase shoplifters and just let the manager know who will later call the police. Nothing ever happens and the shoplifter returns. There's nothing in writing about this policy but since I haven't worked for 2 years, I get no employment rights.

This is a non-rehireable offense I commited.

Will I be able to claim JSA? What about references?

jacques_chirac

You can claim JSA, however they are likely to sanction your claim for thirteen weeks. You would be able to claim a hardship payment after the first two weeks of the sanction.

Your employer may state in your reference that you were dismissed. However they may just state your dates of employment and nothing more.

anamenottaken

fruitedeli wrote: »

I've been sacked for chasing and detaining a shoplifter. The verbal policy was not to chase shoplifters and just let the manager know who will later call the police. Nothing ever happens and the shoplifter returns. There's nothing in writing about this policy but since I haven't worked for 2 years, I get no employment rights.

This is a non-rehireable offense I commited.

Will I be able to claim JSA? What about references?

The "two years" eligibility depends on when you started. If employment began on or before 5 April 2012, then the length of service is one year.

And there are some rights you have from Day One.

Torry_Quine

You must be honest when applying for JSA as they will contact the employer to ask the reason.

You should also be honest when applying for jobs as again they will most likely contact your employer for a reference which will tell that you were sacked. That way you can explain the reason form your perspective as if they find out later then you would probably be sacked again.

System

I don't see why JSA would be an issue; you didn't give up your job voluntarily.

As for references, most employers just confirm job title and dates of employment whether good or bad.

Torry_Quine

Heng_Leng wrote: »

I don't see why JSA would be an issue; you didn't give up your job voluntarily.

As for references, most employers just confirm job title and dates of employment whether good or bad.

Being sacked is a huge issue for JSA as it means you did something to make yourself unemployed.

The thing with references is you won't know until the prospective employer gets it if it says you were sacked or not so better to pre-empt it.

kiss_me_now9

You may also find that your previous employer writes exactly why you were sacked ('Chased shoplifter, against store policy') and the prospective employer decides that this is a non-issue and hires you anyway. Especially if you have a strong application and it's not an industry where shoplifters occur.

Tiddlywinks

Heng_Leng wrote: »

I don't see why JSA would be an issue; you didn't give up your job voluntarily.

Are you sure about that?

If a person is sacked then they can be sanctioned because they contributed to their unemployed status by their own actions.

Heng_Leng wrote: »

As for references, most employers just confirm job title and dates of employment whether good or bad.

The former employer can choose to give a reason for cessation of employment - as long as their comments are factually accurate and relevant then they can say what they like.

dandelionclock30

People are not always sanctioned for being sacked, I wasnt, I got JSA straight away, no problem.
You need to contact your previous employer and ask them exactly what they will write in a reference. Many employers this days just write dates of employment and job title.
If the references says you were dismissed then you have 2 choices either dont use it and do some voluntary work or something and use that instead or tell the new employer what happened and hope for the best.

HappyMJ

dandelionclock30 wrote: »

People are not always sanctioned for being sacked, I wasnt, I got JSA straight away, no problem.
You need to contact your previous employer and ask them exactly what they will write in a reference. Many employers this days just write dates of employment and job title.
If the references says you were dismissed then you have 2 choices either dont use it and do some voluntary work or something and use that instead or tell the new employer what happened and hope for the best.

I think what people are saying is that they aren't accepting the same reasons as they used to. I voluntarily resigned from a job basically because I didn't like the job any more. I started to hate going into work each day and it was starting to make me sick just thinking about going in to work and so I quit and they gave me JSA straight away. I don't think they would accept that as a reason any more.

persa

dandelionclock30 wrote: »

People are not always sanctioned for being sacked, I wasnt, I got JSA straight away, no problem.
You need to contact your previous employer and ask them exactly what they will write in a reference. Many employers this days just write dates of employment and job title.
If the references says you were dismissed then you have 2 choices either dont use it and do some voluntary work or something and use that instead or tell the new employer what happened and hope for the best.

As above.

I also was able to claim straight away, it depends on the exact reason why you were sacked. Dismissal in itself doesn't mean you deliberately did yourself out of a job.