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  • TruckerT wrote: »
    I seem to remember that there was much talk about recession between 2000-2002/3. The Iraq war put paid to such nonsense and we had to wait until 2007-8.

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  • lvader
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    patman99 wrote: »
    By France backing the US, they will now become a bigger target for the Muslim fundamentalists.
    Just watch how many terrorist attacks occur on French institutions.

    In this case France and the US are on the side of the Muslim fundamentalists.
  • HAMISH_MCTAVISH
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    edited 1 September 2013 at 8:21AM
    patman99 wrote: »
    By France backing the US, they will now become a bigger target for the Muslim fundamentalists.
    Just watch how many terrorist attacks occur on French institutions.

    I'm not sure which is more disturbing.

    The failure of the British government to come up with a credible policy response, or the failure of so many British people to have the foggiest idea of what is actually happening.
    lvader wrote: »
    In this case France and the US are on the side of the Muslim fundamentalists.

    Well....

    In as much as the enemy of my enemy can be considered my friend, then yes.

    It's fairly certain that French intervention against Assad won't provoke Muslim fundamentalists into attacking French targets.

    They'll welcome the help.
    “The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.

    Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”

    -- President John F. Kennedy”
  • grizzly1911
    grizzly1911 Posts: 9,965 Forumite
    I'm not sure which is more disturbing.

    The failure of the British government to come up with a credible policy response, or the failure of the British people to have the foggiest idea of what is actually happening.


    Or like all of these conflicts, why they are happening and the real reasons for the interventions of the "West".
    "If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....

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  • Or like all of these conflicts, why they are happening and the real reasons for the interventions of the "West".

    The thing that's so annoying about this instance, is that we've missed a golden opportunity to demonstrate that intervention was possible for purely humanitarian grounds, rather than (as critics claim anyway) to stabilise oil supplies (Iraq) or to neutralise global terrorist threats in Afghanistan.

    Getting intervention right is very difficult.

    Kosovo was a good example of getting it right and for the right reasons.

    Iraq was a disaster.

    Afghanistan was justified but poorly executed.

    Libya was handled much better than Iraq or Afghanistan, but we lost credibility with the global community by straying from the original remit of protecting civilian populations from the aggression of both sides, and instead using it as an opportunity to rid ourselves of Ghadaffi....

    Syria could have been our redeeming moment.
    “The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.

    Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”

    -- President John F. Kennedy”
  • ILW
    ILW Posts: 18,333 Forumite
    What kind of action would have protected the innocent without harming as many as it helped though?
  • lvader
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    Huge UN force wirh a full mandate to enforce the peace and disarm both sides.
  • PaulF81
    PaulF81 Posts: 1,727 Forumite
    dream on. we should have supported assad against al q 12 months ago, when they started eating human organs on liveleak. the quickest way to end this would be to support assad.

    if the rebels get in, expect an islamist failed state torn apart by tribal infighting within 6 months... all on europes shores....
  • That was one person and Assad is just more savvy not any more virtuous. The status quo is to deal with whomever is most tradable ultimately we just want them to pipe down
    lvader wrote: »
    In this case France and the US are on the side of the Muslim fundamentalists.
    France banned the hijab
    Ghiyath Barakat, Syria's minister of higher education, announced that Syria would ban women from wearing full face veils (such as the niqab, but not other forms of hijab that do not cover the entire face), at universities stating that the veils ran counter to secular and academic principles of Syria.[49]
  • PaulF81 wrote: »
    we should have supported assad against al q 12 months ago, .

    That was never going to happen.
    the quickest way to end this would be to support assad.

    It would.

    But that also falls under the category of "no good options".
    if the rebels get in, expect an islamist failed state torn apart by tribal infighting within 6 months... all on europes shores....

    Couldn't agree more.

    Hence why any action against Assad should ideally have been enough to hurt and make him think twice before gassing/napalming his own people again, but not enough to change the balance of power in the conflict.
    “The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.

    Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”

    -- President John F. Kennedy”
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