Housing Benefit for under 25's being scrapped?

oldboy64

Confuseddot wrote: »

From the orginal post the person in question is currently staying somewhere where housing benefit is not required. Why move out until they can pay for it by themselves.

We obviously have different ideas on what afford means, maybe that's why the country is in such a mess.

Housing Benefit or whatever they now call it is there to ensure that the rent is paid.

Are you suggesting that the OP just stays put until they find a job - that could well be years down the line?

Maybe you would be quite happy if HB wasn't payable until a job was found and that all under 25's should stay at home?

HappyMJ

oldboy64 wrote: »

Housing Benefit or whatever they now call it is there to ensure that the rent is paid.

Are you suggesting that the OP just stays put until they find a job - that could well be years down the line?

Maybe you would be quite happy if HB wasn't payable until a job was found and that all under 25's should stay at home?

Yes they should stay at home until they get a job. The only exception I woud have to that is if the family home is overcrowded and they must move out. If they want a home of their own then the simple answer is to get a job....any job. Not sure about you and your area but it does not take years to go down to the agency in town and ask to be put on the books for any work at all at minimum wages. How do immigrants come here and get work within weeks/months if there is no work? Why would they come if there is no work?

A lot of under 25's do stay at in the family home until they have a job and have saved enough money to pay the deposit and first months rent on a single room in a shared house. I don't have a problem with that.

Anyway, this is the benefits board and if the OP wishes to move out and claim HB then the council will allow that.

oldboy64

HappyMJ wrote: »

Yes they should stay at home until they get a job. The only exception I woud have to that is if the family home is overcrowded and they must move out. If they want a home of their own then the simple answer is to get a job....any job. Not sure about you and your area but it does not take years to go down to the agency in town and ask to be put on the books for any work at all at minimum wages. How do immigrants come here and get work within weeks/months if there is no work? Why would they come if there is no work?

A lot of under 25's do stay at in the family home until they have a job and have saved enough money to pay the deposit and first months rent on a single room in a shared house. I don't have a problem with that.

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The simple way out of that is for mum & dad to give them a letter putting them on notice that as from next week they will not be welcome in the home any longer (of course they will but two can play that game!).

Then they pop down to the council, letter in hand saying that they are to be made homeless next week, but they do have the chance of a flat/room if HB can be awarded.

I'm pretty sure that the council would bend over backwards in granting benefit to them.

There we go - solved HB in payment - not in work!

MissMoneypenny

HappyMJ wrote: »

YHow do immigrants come here and get work within weeks/months if there is no work? Why would they come if there is no work?

Many immigrants have access to the UKs very generous welfare system when they arrive i.e. EEA citizens; non EU citizens married to an EEA national; non-EU citizens who have a family member married to an EEA citizen; non-EU citizens who marry someone who has an Indefinate Leave to Remain visa; non-EU citizens who marry someone who has British citizenship; Irish nationals; non-EU citizens engaged to be married to someone with with an ILR visa or British citizenship or an EEA national; non-EU citizens who have lived with a British national or EEA national for 2 years; Non-EU citizens who are a civil partner of an EEA national; non-EU nationals who are civil partners of someone with an ILR visa; non-EU nationals who are civil partners of someone with British citizenship. etc.

Basically, it's just the non-EU immigrants and their families who enter the UK under UK immigration laws on a work visa, who have to work, as they don't have access to the UK's welfare system for 5 years. And even then, they only have access to the welfare system after 5 years, if they are on a work visa that allows settlement in the UK.

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it is highly unlikely there will be any more changes to benefits other than those already planned this side of the election

CKhalvashi

Confuseddot wrote: »

This may sound like a silly question, but why would you want to move out if you can't afford to do so ? surely the answer would be to get a job that pays you enough to move first ?

A lot that I come across don't want to, they've been forced to for some circumstance.

It's more often than you think, that the moment a child hits 18, they're asked to leave.

CK

senileturtle

The point about jobs is, not all pay enough to cover all bills, rent included.

HB is not just for unemployed people. Many working people still have to apply for HB or LHA.

senileturtle

HappyMJ wrote: »

Yes they should stay at home until they get a job. The only exception I woud have to that is if the family home is overcrowded and they must move out. If they want a home of their own then the simple answer is to get a job....any job. Not sure about you and your area but it does not take years to go down to the agency in town and ask to be put on the books for any work at all at minimum wages. How do immigrants come here and get work within weeks/months if there is no work? Why would they come if there is no work?

A lot of under 25's do stay at in the family home until they have a job and have saved enough money to pay the deposit and first months rent on a single room in a shared house. I don't have a problem with that.

Anyway, this is the benefits board and if the OP wishes to move out and claim HB then the council will allow that.

Immigrants do very menial jobs for minimum wage or lower. They also often house share with several in a house so the rent is shared between several. Lastly, many immigrants come here and find nothing and end up living on the streets. Some end up living in makeshift sheds in people's gardens (this is illegal afaik).

And I wasn't asking for myself, was asking for my sister.

That being said, RE your point about house share etc - not everybody can house share for whatever reason. Not everybody under a certain age can stay in the family home. Hell, it was expected not long ago that once people hit 18 they would 'fly the nest'.

And as I said before, not all jobs can pay the rent. Especially minimum wage jobs.

Confuseddot

I genuinely wasn't meaning to be argumentative or that just think its strange that the concept of saving up to afford something you want has become such an alien concept. Probably more a discussion for the a different board.

Also very sad state of affairs that when cash machine turns 18 and no longer provides cash they get chucked out, again probably for a different board.