Closed case help please

FBaby

Marisco, I also agree that contact and maintenance should be linked somehow, however, that's taking a moral stand to the issue whereas I think the British government consider that this is not for them to do and that all they are required to insure is that a child is not financially penalised (although of course, many still are).

Kevin, I don't know why you are getting so defensive on this post. Much worse accusations have been made on other threads. As far as I'm concerned, I questioned the system, which left to a discussion about nrps who do everything so not to pay for their children. That could have included the OP or not. He never came back to give more details, so one way or the other, he was never directly targeted. I don't get your 'bullying' statement. Maybe his circumstances who you go to know unlike everyone else are very similar to yours, hence why you feel so incline to defend him.

shoe*diva79

Kevin, why did the CSA get a LO against you? What is their reason? Do they say there are arrears? How much? How did it come about? Incorrect assessments? You refusing to pay? You paid the PWC direct?

Your quite cagey with your situation, so forgive me, but I'm genuinely interested how you came to the point that a LO was ordered.

galangm8

kevin137 wrote: »

I'm glad you are interested,there will not be an LO when court has finished, and they truly cannot put a charge on a property that is not owned, so what are they going to do...??? And with the previous county court ruling with DEBT SETTLED they couldn't even state i owed the money anyway, but that is besides the point... The system is the system, and we fight within it... Using the same rules as everyone else... When my son was born, and i was kicked out of the house when he was 6 weeks old, and denied access and humiliated, and made to attend court over 30 times to end up with 2 hours supervised access a fortnight because i was reported as being a "violent" man, simply to achieve the resulting denial of access. Well yes i will fight back in every way...!!! I have a great relationship with my son, i know more about him and his struggles than his mother does as we actually talk... So the real winner wasn't her, she is just biter and twisted...!!!

I am sorry you are having to fight for anything, and over the odds is what you would have to pay being kept on CSA1 when CSA2 was designed as a fairer system...!!! And as i have already said, the same system that people where FORCED to use, is now showing to be a hindrance to many... And because it suits them they want to change... Your case is different... Much like myself, he moved out of the country it seems... I did NOT do this, i lived in Norway with my g/f spent all my time off, days off etc here, and the CSA accepted my address as my home... However, i still paid, because i worked in the UK, so i was never at issue with that, what i was at issue with, was the amount they where taking... It was WRONG... Never a correct assessment, never an acceptance for change of circumstances... Which is why i fight... I have another pet gripe with the CSA as well, which i never bothered arguing about, but it used to wind me up... The CSA accept i lived in Norway, my G/F has 2 children, as such the children live with me, at my home in Norway... But they where never accepted as qualifying children... Why we live in the EEA the same rights as the EU you would think, no, they must live with you in the UK... Really, so i can live here and pay there, but the same qualifiers don't apply...

The CSA is a messed up system, but this place is for advice...!!! And the OP was advised as to what the legality of it is... Maybe that brings up old wounds for you, maybe it makes you feel bad... But he hasn't left the country like your ex, he hasn't upped his mortgage like your husband, he simply asked what he could do...???

So in answer to you all about the bullying, anything that is hurtful can cause ill feeling, anxiety or any other thing you can come up with... Which pretty much everyone HAS, then YES it is bullying... Telling the man how wrong he is and all the rest of it, you don't know what he suffers from if anything, you don't know what anxiety or similar he may stress out from, and this is a prime example of what bullying is.. His question was not liked, HOW DARE HE...!!!

Kevin

That means you're bullying every other day when your condemning PWC's on benefits, PWC's having children with multiple fathers claiming all the benefits and all the maintenance, all the 'chavs' as you refer, ruining the UK., me being delusional, your ex being bitter,etc, etc....

...when it's you, my NRP and the OP who should be 'on bended knee' grateful that David Cameron steps in as 'sugar daddy' if needed, to provide for YOUR children.

Regarding your gripe with the UK system not including your g/f's children in your assessment.......

Why on earth would you want to provide for ANOTHER mans offspring when you're disputing providing for your own?

That is one thing the old rules got right - not including 'step children', I mean come on girls if your partners' not looking after his own.....but love is blind and all that.

I think (and I AM NOT bullying Kevin), it's just my opinion, like you give yours, that my NRP, the OP and your good self have all tried your damndest to get your child maintenance assessment reduced to nil...and you and my NRP could not, so have been evicted from our great country because you will not abide by the rules...

I must admit this does sometimes make me giggle as 40 years for Queen and Country and then your out....

....must be a real wounder, especially when he gets his 'Full Military Honours'...all that shame to keep a few quid from the
'Fruit of his Loins'! lol

galangm8

kevin137 wrote: »

I'm glad you are interested,there will not be an LO when court has finished, and they truly cannot put a charge on a property that is not owned, so what are they going to do...???

Of course Kevin they can not put a charging order on a property that you have managed to sell before they got the chance, it's not the property they want but payment for your childs' CM they're after...

....so they can ask you for proof but if you refuse.....they CAN simply check public records and see what you received from the sale and go from there.

Phew I feel like I am writing to the CSA having to:-

S P E L L
I T
O U T ....

... when something is so simple.

shoe*diva79

^^^^^^^^^ This! ^^^^^^^^^

kevin137

You lot are so funny... I took an injunction against the CSA, the money was overpaid consistently for years, this ended with them owing me about £4300, as part of the inunction the money was claimed by was of small claims court, by the time it got to court, the money i hadn't paid was £4450...

The judge ruled the debt owed by THEM settled, and that they use my HOME address on all paperwork from that date forward, they then proceeded with claiming by way of LO at the OLD address the same amount that had already been ordered settled, hence they got the LO

As for managing to sell the property before they got this, this was sold BEFORE the LO was granted, and that was the address they served the LO on, despite having an order from the judge to send ALL paperwork to my address in Norway, so is this LO obtained in a lawful manner...

Well i can guess that when the judge sees it, NO it won't be...

Am i trying to avoid my responsibilities, i paid ALL of them, and did so for 17 years...!!! So carry on having a go, cos i don't care...

Oh and my son managed to get into Uni, and the 1st email i get after finding out, was from my ex, saying she was happy i was glad for him, and how was i going to fund it for him... Ermmmm I'm not...!!!

kevin137

galangm8 wrote: »

Phew I feel like I am writing to the CSA having to:-

S P E L L
I T
O U T ....

... when something is so simple.

Clearly you cannot ready either, i have already explained, not that i need to, but i do NOT owe the money...

But it is OK, i will have them breached on the original order, and claim interest as it will be deemed NOT settled now, and i can send the bailiffs in, they cannot use the county court do not have jurisdiction defence, as when this was done, they where in fact registered as a business, not the DWP, and that cut no weight, even if it did, they should of appealed the decision, not just carried on claiming bogus arrears, that had been proved to the court as not owed...

It is quite amazing how people judge you...

And on that note, i will be done with the forum for good, there is just no helping some people...!!!

FBaby

So what you are saying is that the csa messed you about badly, fair enough, but how does this make your ex manipulative? What has she got to do with it? You said you paid for 17 years, but then you said you packed your job because you didn't want to pay and went travelling so there must have been a time when you didn't contribute.

As for paying Uni, why not? Many parents do, I will, started putting money aside. You might not want to, but the suggestion that you could isn't totally unreasonable on its own.

shoe*diva79

kevin137 wrote: »

You lot are so funny... I took an injunction against the CSA, the money was overpaid consistently for years, this ended with them owing me about £4300, as part of the inunction the money was claimed by was of small claims court, by the time it got to court, the money i hadn't paid was £4450...

The judge ruled the debt owed by THEM settled, and that they use my HOME address on all paperwork from that date forward, they then proceeded with claiming by way of LO at the OLD address the same amount that had already been ordered settled, hence they got the LO

As for managing to sell the property before they got this, this was sold BEFORE the LO was granted, and that was the address they served the LO on, despite having an order from the judge to send ALL paperwork to my address in Norway, so is this LO obtained in a lawful manner...

Well i can guess that when the judge sees it, NO it won't be...

Am i trying to avoid my responsibilities, i paid ALL of them, and did so for 17 years...!!! So carry on having a go, cos i don't care...

Oh and my son managed to get into Uni, and the 1st email i get after finding out, was from my ex, saying she was happy i was glad for him, and how was i going to fund it for him... Ermmmm I'm not...!!!

This post dosent mAke much sense.

What your saying is you overpaid CM to the tune of £4300? But the CSA said that you underpaid by £4450? A judge rules that they don't owe you any money. So they get LO against you?

If i have got that correct then what were there reasons for arrears? Why did you think you had overpaid?