Told to lie by jobcentre person

john539

duchy wrote: »

Speaking as an employer I don't want staff who will glibly lie to me just because it is what they think I want to hear. I'd prefer to employ someone who is honest and who has the commonsense not to promise the impossible. If someone can't reliably work the shifts I am advertising then I don't want them wasting my time or their's and neither should a civil servent be encouraging job seekers to waste the time of employers with lies (just to make their own stats look better than they actually are)

Unfortunately Jobcentres have lost the plot, are more in numbers game with civil servants covering their jobs & people making unsuitable applications if necessary.

epm-84

fedupfreddie wrote: »

Tell the employer I am very sorry but I can't work those hours after all? That would go down really well with the employer and the jobcentre when I end up back there.

Maybe tell them X from the Job Centre told you that the bus service finished at 21:30 but you've found out it finishes at 18:30.

Dunroamin

aliasojo wrote: »

Non essentials?

Employer: We need someone to work shifts ending at 8pm.

Applicant (working on advice given by professional): Yes I can do that.


I'm clearly on a different planet.

The difference between us is that I'm assuming that a solution to the problem would be found if the job was offered. But then, as you know, I believe in solving problems rather than just giving up.:D

Dunroamin

duchy wrote: »

Speaking as an employer I don't want staff who will glibly lie to me just because it is what they think I want to hear. I'd prefer to employ someone who is honest and who has the commonsense not to promise the impossible. If someone can't reliably work the shifts I am advertising then I don't want them wasting my time or their's and neither should a civil servent be encouraging job seekers to waste the time of employers with lies (just to make their own stats look better than they actually are).

Spend the time searching for a job that you can get to without having to rely on other people (who may leave themselves in six months and leave you in the lurch....or get sick....or be poor timekeepers....or lose their licence etc etc). Take some personal responsibility -a lot is said on here about the nanny state and people expecting to be spoonfed....... knowing you can get yourself to and from work in a timely manner is a matter of personal responsibility and not something a prospective emplyee should be landing on their would be employer-it's simply not their problem (they might choose to make it theirs in times of high employment when recruitment is difficult or for a long standing employee -but that's a different scenario)

I'm a little tired of the current attitude that lying is ok- it isn't !!
Call it lateral thinking if you want to stay deluded and feel better about it- the more clear headed understand it isn't.

See my previous answer.

Much better to find a solution to the problem when (if) offered the job rather than just to say "can't be done" - that seems to me to be what personal responsibility is about. I certainly don't think that the employee should be landing the problem on the employer, as you seem to think.

earthstorm

Dunroamin wrote: »

See my previous answer.

Much better to find a solution to the problem when (if) offered the job rather than just to say "can't be done" - that seems to me to be what personal responsibility is about. I certainly don't think that the employee should be landing the problem on the employer, as you seem to think.

No as an employer, I would rather have the applicant research all these things before applying. As say they get the job and then after looking at the situation and research have to say to the employer 'oh by the way my last bus is 18.30 , so i cant do the shifts you want me to do'.

You have now WASTED your time and WASTED the employers time, as now the employer has to go through all the applications again and then contact an applicant that they turned down to say they have now got the job.
So you go back to the job centre after the employer has informed them of your application and you say well X told me to lie. Do you think X is going to admit what they said and risk their own job, so you face restrictions on your benefit

aliasojo

Dunroamin wrote: »

The difference between us is that I'm assuming that a solution to the problem would be found if the job was offered. But then, as you know, I believe in solving problems rather than just giving up.:D

Don't be so condescending.

I would have looked into the situation to see if it was solvable BEFORE wasting everyone else's time.

As below.

earthstorm wrote: »

No as an employer, I would rather have the applicant research all these things before applying. As say they get the job and then after looking at the situation and research have to say to the employer 'oh by the way my last bus is 18.30 , so i cant do the shifts you want me to do'.

You have now WASTED your time and WASTED the employers time, as now the employer has to go through all the applications again and then contact an applicant that they turned down to say they have now got the job.
So you go back to the job centre after the employer has informed them of your application and you say well X told me to lie. Do you think X is going to admit what they said and risk their own job, so you face restrictions on your benefit

FBaby

Totally agree with Dunroamin. It's about sizing opportunities and showing keenness rather that showing that you can't even be bothered because you are already assuming that it wouldn't be possible in any way.

A friend of mine went to an interview and got the call to be told the usual 'you were a close second, liked you a lot but the other candidate had more experience blah blah blah'. Instead of dismissing it, she said thank you and appreciated their call and that if anything came up, she would love to be considered for another job. Two days later, got a call to be told that someone had gone off sick and would they consider covering. She said yes and started a week later. The person then decided to come back but part-time. My friend was offered the job share but she needed a full-time job, but because they really liked her attitude and enthusiasm, they ended up finding her another part-time job in another department.

Your attitude is so defeatist, who would want to employ you. There is nothing wrong going to the interview, say that you would really like the job, don't like being on JSA and are desperate to work, at any job, but at the moment are not sure how you would get home. Do they know anyone else in that position and whether there would be any chance to consider options or solutions. That would show a sense of entrepreneurship and they might very much like it and be prepared to help. If not, what have you got to lose anyway. At worse they will see you as a time waster...and??

FBaby

and just to add, aren't you lucky that during school holidays, you get to spend all mornings and start and some of the afternoon with them, something many full-time working parents would consider a blessing...

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makeyourdaddyproud

duchy wrote: »

Speaking as an employer I don't want staff who will glibly lie to me just because it is what they think I want to hear. I'd prefer to employ someone who is honest and who has the commonsense not to promise the impossible. If someone can't reliably work the shifts I am advertising then I don't want them wasting my time or their's and neither should a civil servent be encouraging job seekers to waste the time of employers with lies (just to make their own stats look better than they actually are).

Spend the time searching for a job that you can get to without having to rely on other people (who may leave themselves in six months and leave you in the lurch....or get sick....or be poor timekeepers....or lose their licence etc etc). Take some personal responsibility -a lot is said on here about the nanny state and people expecting to be spoonfed....... knowing you can get yourself to and from work in a timely manner is a matter of personal responsibility and not something a prospective emplyee should be landing on their would be employer-it's simply not their problem (they might choose to make it theirs in times of high employment when recruitment is difficult or for a long standing employee -but that's a different scenario)

I'm a little tired of the current attitude that lying is ok- it isn't !!
Call it lateral thinking if you want to stay deluded and feel better about it- the more clear headed understand it isn't.

That's all well and good but there is a conflict of interests: you, the gaffer, wants cheap labour where you could probably manage to pay more but wouldn't hence appears only to be a firm to apply for with absolutely nothing enticing about your pitch. What do you expect?

Of course someone is going to lie to you about their ability to do the job whereby it's money or the logistical nightmare of getting to the site?

He (the jobseeker), will try any tack to preserve his £70 a week, and I can't honestly blame them for lying. It's still £70 without travel expenses and the brute-force man hours to keep you and your huge pension intact.

Try providing a role that is aspirational, and with at least a future and you will get away with the NMW AND onerous travel duties.