Told to lie by jobcentre person

Prothet_of_Doom

epm-84 wrote: »

At a company where I worked two people applied for a full time job and then at the interview stage they both said they are only looking for part time work. The company saw them as wasting their time and weren't interested in even keeping their details on record.

Does anyone see the irony? The opportunity was there, to employ two people part time who might consider covering holidays and sickness, for the other.

earthstorm

I would have grasped the chair and in my loudest voice shout 'What you want me to lie to a prospective employer at an interview' making sure everyone in the room hears along with their supervisor/manager as i am sure this is not standard advice given.

epm-84

Prothet_of_Doom wrote: »

Does anyone see the irony? The opportunity was there, to employ two people part time who might consider covering holidays and sickness, for the other.

It was actually two different full time roles they applied for which required different skills.

I think a sticking point with a company on a limited budget for a new employee would be two part time employees on £7,500 each costs the company more in employer's NI than one employee on £15,000. There's quite a few other pros and cons of two people sharing a role opposed to having one employee.

john539

Ask the JC advisor to put that in writing, which of course they will never do.

duchy

Dunroamin wrote: »

I don't think it's bad advice, when you start you might well find that you can arrange lifts with someone or come up with some alternative.

I am amazed
You honestly support a government servant telling a job seeker to lie ?

Perhaps you are mixing up Civil servants with MP's ?

Dunroamin

duchy wrote: »

I am amazed
You honestly support a government servant telling a job seeker to lie ?

Perhaps you are mixing up Civil servants with MP's ?

It's lateral thinking - if you're offered the job, that's the time to solve your problem, rather than putting up difficulties right from the start. How many employers would even ask about transport in the first place?

Many successful job applications are fairly economical with the truth about non essentials.

duchy

Dunroamin wrote: »

I don't think it's bad advice, when you start you might well find that you can arrange lifts with someone or come up with some alternative.

I am amazed
You honestly support a government servant telling a job seeker to lie ?

Perhaps you are mixing up Civil servants with MP's ?

aliasojo

Dunroamin wrote: »

Many successful job applications are fairly economical with the truth about non essentials.

Non essentials?

Employer: We need someone to work shifts ending at 8pm.

Applicant (working on advice given by professional): Yes I can do that.


I'm clearly on a different planet.

fedupfreddie

Dunroamin wrote: »

It's lateral thinking - if you're offered the job, that's the time to solve your problem, rather than putting up difficulties right from the start. How many employers would even ask about transport in the first place?

This was for a job with B & Q. I was asked at the interview if I could start work at 6am for one shift and finish at 8pm on another shift.

This was just a part time job by the way, and I did ask if I could work different hours. There are so many people applying for this sort of job that there is no leeway.
You work when they say or don't get the job.

It's all very well to say solve the problem when you have the job but what if that is not possible?
Tell the employer I am very sorry but I can't work those hours after all? That would go down really well with the employer and the jobcentre when I end up back there.

duchy

Dunroamin wrote: »

It's lateral thinking - if you're offered the job, that's the time to solve your problem, rather than putting up difficulties right from the start. How many employers would even ask about transport in the first place?

Many successful job applications are fairly economical with the truth about non essentials.

Speaking as an employer I don't want staff who will glibly lie to me just because it is what they think I want to hear. I'd prefer to employ someone who is honest and who has the commonsense not to promise the impossible. If someone can't reliably work the shifts I am advertising then I don't want them wasting my time or their's and neither should a civil servent be encouraging job seekers to waste the time of employers with lies (just to make their own stats look better than they actually are).

Spend the time searching for a job that you can get to without having to rely on other people (who may leave themselves in six months and leave you in the lurch....or get sick....or be poor timekeepers....or lose their licence etc etc). Take some personal responsibility -a lot is said on here about the nanny state and people expecting to be spoonfed....... knowing you can get yourself to and from work in a timely manner is a matter of personal responsibility and not something a prospective emplyee should be landing on their would be employer-it's simply not their problem (they might choose to make it theirs in times of high employment when recruitment is difficult or for a long standing employee -but that's a different scenario)

I'm a little tired of the current attitude that lying is ok- it isn't !!
Call it lateral thinking if you want to stay deluded and feel better about it- the more clear headed understand it isn't.