PCN on private land at Dukes92 restaurant in Manchester

JonnyDraper

Hi guys,

I've been reading the forums with great interest as I received a PCN last week.

My 7 days to pay the £60 before it's inflated to £100 is up tomorrow so I'm trying to work out whether it's worth me appealing.

I parked before 11:30am (which was signposted) but my appeal would be based on the unjust level of fine. Parking after 11:30am is free for customers of the restaurant and I was meeting somebody before the place opened and was then due to meet somebody else there at 11:30am (naturally I then refused to give them my custom!)

Based on the fact that there is no parking charge on this land if you're a customer, I want to know why they pluck a random figure of £60 - £100 out of the air!

Is it worth me appealing on this side of things or should I just suck it up and pay...

Any thoughts would be hugely appreciated

Jonny.

Guys_Dad

Yes, appeal. We can help.

Now a few things.

What time did you park and where were you if you got a PCN on your windscreen in your absence?

Who is the Parking company (PPC)?

Signs - are they there at the entrance and do they meet the BPA standards? see here Appendix 2. http://www.britishparking.co.uk/write/Documents/AOS/AOS_CoP_June_2013_update.pdf

Oh - do nothing before getting a Notice to Keeper unless you actually intend to pay. If you do decide to pay, then it's your decision but one that we wouldn't advise, you would be best to go for the lower amount.

But read other threads and if you decide to appeal, wait for the NtK and come back here.

Which PPC is crucial.

JonnyDraper

The PPC is 'Car Park Management Services' It says they're a member of the BPA.

I parked at about 10am and got the ticket at 11:10am.

The parking is actually on a private road that runs through Castlefield, so there's no entrance or exit as such.

The signs do have the 'no parking before 11:30am' on them but I'll have to double check the other criteria.

So are you saying that I shouldn't get in touch with them at all to reject/appeal this ticket and simply wait until they send me a letter?

Guys_Dad

JonnyDraper wrote: »

So are you saying that I shouldn't get in touch with them at all to reject/appeal this ticket and simply wait until they send me a letter?

Yes. They can make procedural errors with the NtK stage.

Keep a note of the dates. You shouldn't hear from them before 28 days after the contravention or they have blown it.

Back to the signs, when you enter a private area with parking restrictions, road or car park, there has to be signs and these have to comply with the BPA Code of Practice. Have a look here Appendix 2. http://www.britishparking.co.uk/write/Documents/AOS/AOS_CoP_June_2013_update.pdf

In fact, this is a good document to read through to see what the "enemy's" rules of engagement are and they have to follow them.

In particular, have a look at the POFA2012 section, paragraphs 7 and sub paras and paragraphs 8&9.

You have time before you hear from them again.

Keep to this thread and post when you have checked things out and got your NtK.

JonnyDraper

Thanks mate

Coupon-mad

Same advice posted every day on so many threads - for cases in England/Wales where the Protection of Freedoms Act applies - I can't keep up:

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/62827554#Comment_62827554

So that's what to do when you get the first letter (Notice to Keeper) as long as the vehicle is yours (and not a company/lease/hire keeper).

And when you've done that stage, start reading ahead on the forum about POPLA appeals and how to win. We can help fine-tune a winning POPLA appeal but can't write them from scratch (especially as examples of strong POPLA appeals are also linked every day all over the forum on threads exactly the same, about any PPC scammer).

JonnyDraper

Hi guys,

Just wondered if you had any thoughts - I haven't had any correspondance whatsoever from this company or the DVLA.

The date of the ticket is 30th July, 2013.

Is there a time frame attached to something like this or can I realistically expect something from them at some point in the future?

Many thanks,

Jonny.

Guys_Dad

They can still contact you until 56 days after ticket. After that they are out of time.

JonnyDraper

Thank you!

Coupon-mad

I reckon if they do anything at all, Car Park Management Services will get a third party like PCS to get the DVLA data late and then send you a rubbish letter sometime in October/November. If I am right, if you get any late NTK (more than 56 days after the incident) from PCS or whoever, this is what to do:

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=77830&st=40&p=845152&#entry845152

JonnyDraper

Hello!

Thanks again for all your help and advice.

I have today received a NTK - 62 days after the original PCN.

I had a read through the link above which makes sense, but I've just rung them to try and end it over the phone (thought it was worth a try!)

His excuse for being out of the 56 day period was that the DVLA had a back log. I explained he should probably be pretty annoyed with them as they had just ended any chance whatsoever of them getting any money out of them.

He claims that it's been passed on to a debt management company so it's out of his hands (which I don't believe for a second)

My question is regardless of whether that is true or not, is what should my next step be?

Should I continue to ignore this or do I need to put something in writing.

Any thoughts will be much appreciated!

Thanks,

Jonny.