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Nice People Thread Part 9 - and so it continues
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WE have DS just starting the reading thing. DW is determined he does it as quickly as anyone else in the class, she can't understand about people progressing at their own speed and thinks reducing him to tears is the answer
Oh no! Reducing him to tears is likely to hold him back and make him learn much more slowly. Please try to get her to understand that. Helping him and encouraging him is good, but anything that makes him feel hopelss and that he's a failure is likely to prove catastrophic.Do you know anyone who's bereaved? Point them to https://www.AtaLoss.org which does for bereavement support what MSE does for financial services, providing links to support organisations relevant to the circumstances of the loss & the local area. (Link permitted by forum team)
Tyre performance in the wet deteriorates rapidly below about 3mm tread - change yours when they get dangerous, not just when they are nearly illegal (1.6mm).
Oh, and wear your seatbelt. My kids are only alive because they were wearing theirs when somebody else was driving in wet weather with worn tyres.
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We were taught to read and write before going to school - it makes sense to do this because it's a source of lots of free things to do. You can play/understand more games, use words and draw pictures on paper or in paintings, understand more on the telly even!
It's free to learn and creates more free things to do. Win:win.0 -
You can't base comparisons of that kind solely on the age at which they start formal schooling. So much else is different between one country and another - society's attitude to education, for one thing, and whether the language they are learning to read is spelt phonetically or not, for another. Any child trying to learn to read German would be likely to get the hang of it very very much more quickly than an exactly similar child trying to learn to read English.
I pestered and pestered to be taught to read, and did, long before I went to school. All those books, all those wonderful stories, and a house full of people who were too busy to read them to me all day... Then I was allowed to go to school a year early, because I could already read fluently and was clearly bored out of my skull at preschool.
I quite agree there's a lot of variation in individual's needs. However, if I was providing a universal system I'd like to spend iit on stuff that generally worked for most people. This is allegedly a country that spends less money on educational research than it does researching glue. I thnk most of northern Europe starts later than us. I'm not suggesting it's a better way, but starting late isn't remotely an alarming idea to me. The two top countries for educational outcomes were Sweden and Finland and for both it's seven.
I remember I had to teach a course about the space race and the programmes we used to show about America's wake-uip call when the Soviets launched sputnik were real eye-openers. Yep it was anothr place that started at seven.
Northern Ireland starts at four, and produces good A level results but I think there may be some problems at the level of low achievers. We've nobody I know of on this thread who's from Northern Ireland AFAIK.
It's best to not get me started on the attitude of (well, at least my corner of ) the south of England about education. :silenced::shocked:
Glorified babysitters would be held in higher regard. Everybody's an expert, and everybody knows "as a fact" that there's loads of substandard teachers. Wonder how many lives have ended early due to "substandard" doctors?
And all ecucational decisions can be just based on whim!There is no honour to be had in not knowing a thing that can be known - Danny Baker0 -
Oh no! Reducing him to tears is likely to hold him back and make him learn much more slowly. Please try to get her to understand that. Helping him and encouraging him is good, but anything that makes him feel hopelss and that he's a failure is likely to prove catastrophic.
You and I know that - DW thinks that for the DKs to be first and best is vital. I was never really into books until I was 7 or 8 and found some books that interested me but I also grew up in a house where people enjoyed quiet and time alone which we don't seem to have, instead DKs seem to want 24/7 stimulation. I am having a frustrating afternoon, it is homework time so I sit with DKs helping them structure 'What do you know about verbs' (DD2, 7) and What do you know about drugs (DD1, 9). Neither one has any real ideas on how to fill their page, DD1 knows a bit from lessons (medical drugs, legal drugs, illegal drugs) but distracts herself and the others every 2 minutes. DD2 knows verbs are doing words and has no idea beyond that. I can't understand the benefit of such unstructured work at their age.I think....0 -
I always wanted scrabble, but we never had it.0
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I quite agree there's a lot of variation in individual's needs. However, if I was providing a universal system I'd like to spend iit on stuff that generally worked for most people. This is allegedly a country that spends less money on educational research than it does researching glue. I thnk most of northern Europe starts later than us. I'm not suggesting it's a better way, but starting late isn't remotely an alarming idea to me. The two top countries for educational outcomes were Sweden and Finland and for both it's seven.
I remember I had to teach a course about the space race and the programmes we used to show about America's wake-uip call when the Soviets launched sputnik were real eye-openers. Yep it was anothr place that started at seven.
Northern Ireland starts at four, and produces good A level results but I think there may be some problems at the level of low achievers. We've nobody I know of on this thread who's from Northern Ireland AFAIK.
It's best to not get me started on the attitude of (well, at least my corner of ) the south of England about education. :silenced::shocked:
Glorified babysitters would be held in higher regard. Everybody's an expert, and everybody knows "as a fact" that there's loads of substandard teachers. Wonder how many lives have ended early due to "substandard" doctors?
And all ecucational decisions can be just based on whim!
Sil is a lecturer at v. Good university in Ireland. We were talking about her new intake and differences worldwide last weekend on Skype. She was saying she loves it over there and would love to stay full time but she does find her first years need lots of spoon feeding over there. More so than anywhere else. She has taught there, US, France a little bit here. Her partner has taught us and Scandinavia. He couldn't get out of lecturing in Scandinavia fast enough. Not sure why. i know my sil was upset because she wants to settle in europe and it lookslike they are going to end up back in US. I'm meeting up with him at Christmas time. If you have any specific insights you'd like me to ask about his experience lecturing in a university there I'll find out. I have no idea whether the issue was educational, work system or personal yet. 0 -
I quite agree there's a lot of variation in individual's needs. However, if I was providing a universal system I'd like to spend iit on stuff that generally worked for most people.
Agree. That's my big gripe about the idea that we should all return to the 11+ and grammar schools etc - it doesn't give much thought to what to do with the ones who don't pass. (Having read that link to the thread in DT I've posted on it, BTW.) If it were possible, what I'd really love to see would be a much more flexible start to education where the ones that want to learn to read young can do so, even if they don't have parents who can be bothered to teach them, and those who aren't ready don't have to until a bit later.It's best to not get me started on the attitude of (well, at least my corner of ) the south of England about education. :silenced::shocked:
Glorified babysitters would be held in higher regard. Everybody's an expert, and everybody knows "as a fact" that there's loads of substandard teachers. Wonder how many lives have ended early due to "substandard" doctors?
And all ecucational decisions can be just based on whim!
"I concur with every word you say." (That's a quote from a Flanders and Swann record we had when I was a kid.)You and I know that - DW thinks that for the DKs to be first and best is vital. I was never really into books until I was 7 or 8 and found some books that interested me but I also grew up in a house where people enjoyed quiet and time alone which we don't seem to have, instead DKs seem to want 24/7 stimulation. I am having a frustrating afternoon, it is homework time so I sit with DKs helping them structure 'What do you know about verbs' (DD2, 7) and What do you know about drugs (DD1, 9). Neither one has any real ideas on how to fill their page, DD1 knows a bit from lessons (medical drugs, legal drugs, illegal drugs) but distracts herself and the others every 2 minutes. DD2 knows verbs are doing words and has no idea beyond that. I can't understand the benefit of such unstructured work at their age.
Neither can I. Frankly, I'd be hard put to it to fill a page with what I know about verbs myself, unless I was allowed to go off into a whole lot of technical stuff about conjugations and participles, which I'm sure isn't what the teacher's looking for.
DD's homework is much more structured. She gets a double sided sheet of maths questions, and a comprehension thing for English. The English questions are sections A (v basic factual stuff about what's in the text), B (interpreting the text) and C (some kind of free writing - a poem on a similar topic to the text, or a menu for a monster, or a story about a storm or similar). But then, DD's teacher this year is the best primary teacher either of my kids has ever had, by a significant margin. It's been an eye-opener for me - I didn't know what really high quality primary school teaching was until now.Do you know anyone who's bereaved? Point them to https://www.AtaLoss.org which does for bereavement support what MSE does for financial services, providing links to support organisations relevant to the circumstances of the loss & the local area. (Link permitted by forum team)
Tyre performance in the wet deteriorates rapidly below about 3mm tread - change yours when they get dangerous, not just when they are nearly illegal (1.6mm).
Oh, and wear your seatbelt. My kids are only alive because they were wearing theirs when somebody else was driving in wet weather with worn tyres.0 -
I was an early read as was my sister. DH wasn't from what I gather. I think it depends on the person and their interests and drive.
Similar.y languages. Being multilingual might 'slow down' initial early pace for many but IMO worth while longer term. I have a friend whose trilingual child was the bane of the school in Italy and they begged her to only speak to him in one language. (She and her husband had different languages and neither was Italian). The kid loved mixing with peoe who coped easily with his pigeon. He was no tenuous and it slowed him down a bit, but by about six, seven, things started falling into place. As a fairly standard kid being fluent in three languages would probably have been considered beyond him by schools were his family circumstances different. But he's average in class for everything now,apart from languages which he is near the top! and his mother feels glad she stuck to her guns, because he has something that he is super strong in that. Had he just been educated in the country of her mother tongue.
(Ruddy hell, lirisms and auto correct made a right mess of that lot....never mind....I'm peeling veg so will have to stand as is)0 -
lostinrates wrote: »As a fairly standard kid being fluent in three languages would probably have been considered beyond him by schools were his family circumstances different.
I know an English guy married to a German woman, living in France with their 6 kids. The kids all speak all three languages. I know the mother's English is excellent. I'm not so sure about the father's German, but I imagine that since he's good at languages he'll have picked up a lot bringing up all those kids who speak to their mother in German all the time. The couple met in Russia and both speak Russian.
Edit: I think it's actually only 5 kids.Do you know anyone who's bereaved? Point them to https://www.AtaLoss.org which does for bereavement support what MSE does for financial services, providing links to support organisations relevant to the circumstances of the loss & the local area. (Link permitted by forum team)
Tyre performance in the wet deteriorates rapidly below about 3mm tread - change yours when they get dangerous, not just when they are nearly illegal (1.6mm).
Oh, and wear your seatbelt. My kids are only alive because they were wearing theirs when somebody else was driving in wet weather with worn tyres.0 -
I know an English guy married to a German woman, living in France with their 6 kids. The kids all speak all three languages. I know the mother's English is excellent. I'm not so sure about the father's German, but I imagine that since he's good at languages he'll have picked up a lot bringing up all those kids who speak to their mother in German all the time. The couple met in Russia and both speak Russian.
Wonderful!
Dh's eldest German cousin's first language is English, because her mother is English and spoke it to her when tiny. She felt it was a mistake and spoke German only with the other two who were faster early years at school. Dh's immeadiate family and languages is even more confusing and the chatter arou d the table is the nicest thing about being with them, its in all mixtures of language, I love most of it (apart from when people break ion to thingsthey the rest of the table don't under stand to say stuff about peoe there and think no one realises.....I guess they don't realise everyone talks body language :rotfl::rotfl:)
My mother speaks a Scandinavian language (poorly) and I wish she had taught me it.. Neither of her children got it, her generation was the last to speak it in our family. 0
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