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Partitioning an SSD

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  • debitcardmayhem
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    espresso wrote: »
    A Leopard never changes it spots.
    Well spotted espresso :cool:
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  • Avoriaz
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    edited 9 August 2013 at 12:59PM
    bluesnake wrote: »
    Often you do have an option of two drives on laptops.
    My Acer has two internal disk drive bays but was supplied with one 500gb drive only.

    I could easily fit another internal disk but I prefer to use external USB disks.

    1) It means that the second disk isn't permanently running, wearing out and generating heat. It only takes a few seconds to attach an external USB disk when needed.

    2) I can use cheaper 13mm 2.5inch disks that won't fit in the 9.5mm drive bay. I bought some 13mm 2.5inch disks at about 70% the cost of 9.5mm equivalents.

    I don't usually need the performance that two drives might offer.

    On the odd occasion when the extra speed of an internal disk is desirable, e.g. when I am backing up my Sky+ disk, a process that takes many hours, I open up the laptop drive bay and connect one of my 13mm disks using short length of SATA data and power cables. That reduces the Sky+ backup times by quite a few hours as the data transfer speeds are far higher than USB.

    But normally all I am doing is backing up to external disks and I can do a full backup in about 20 minutes via USB so it isn't worth opening up the laptop to save a few minutes. I only have about 10gb of data to back up regularly.
  • Rom_london
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    you should be fine with 100-120 gb (i like to keep at least match the used space with free space). If you are a lite user then scale it back.

    To partition in windows 7 you click start, right click on my computer, then click manage. from there its pretty straight forward.

    This thread runs around a bit, but an idea would be to only keep documets and programs on the SSD, then leave all the remaining media on other drives (if you use photoshop, keep the data on the SSD)

    accessing media doesnt take time. keep your SSD wide open, increase the swap file size, and maximise the gains.
  • 50Twuncle
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    Avoriaz wrote: »
    If they don't agree to reduce the price then you may* have the option of returning the £144 drive under DSR (Distance Selling Regulations) and buying another one at £108. Telling Crucial that is what you will do may persuade them to simply credit you the difference.

    I wrote "may" as I am not 100% certain that DSR applies in this case.

    What are Crucial's return Ts&Cs?

    Crucial offered me 50% of the drop in price as a "Gesture of goodwill" which I have accepted - £20 back !!
  • 50Twuncle
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    How am I supposed to clone my HDD to my new SSD - Using Acronis (CD supplied in installation kit) - the CD is empty of data - at least my PC is unable to see any files
    The CD on "properties" shows 442Mb of CDFS files - but when viewed on Windows Explorer - is empty (no viewable files !!)
  • debitcardmayhem
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    The acronis disc will be a bootable disk I would imagine , their recovery software is based on Linux, pop the idsc in and reboot and select the DVD/CD
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  • Gratis
    Gratis Posts: 478 Forumite
    edited 11 August 2013 at 2:32PM
    Gratis wrote: »


    I have always partitioned my hard drives.
    esuhl wrote: »

    Me too. Not much point in having a hard drive otherwise -- it's the only way you can create a filesystem to save data! :p
    wongataa wrote: »

    One partition per drive is best practice for any hard disk. If you need more partitions get more disks.
    wongataa wrote: »

    It is not a good idea to have more than one partition on SSD disk as it will reduce performance.

    I take your point. But if, like esuhl, you go into the semantics of it you run into the problem that a drive cannot have only one partition. Nothing can.

    The issue is one of logic and nomenclature. It creates a spot of bother.

    In essence, the word “partition” is similar in meaning to the word “division”. It involves splitting something up. The difficulty that arises with the word “partition” is that it is both a noun and a verb. If you divide something, you create divisions: but if you partition something, you create partitions.

    And therein lies the problem. You cannot have, nor create, a single partition; that’s a self-contradiction. Partitioning something means taking something that is a single entity and dividing it into two or more partitions.

    Consider, for example, a room. It is a single area of space. If you partition it, you create two or more partitions. But the room wasn’t “a partition” until you did that; it wasn’t a room with one partition, it was a room with no partitions. For anything to be a partition, it has to be part of something with two or more partitions.

    You can add a new partition to something that already has partitions but you cannot create a single partition that exists in isolation.

    Tricky, isn’t it?

    I blame Bill Gates. He had an arrogant way of taking words that already exist with a defined meaning and pirating them to describe something completely different, thereby causing a great deal of confusion. (But then, Bill Gates was a man who thought Steve Ballmer was the best person to leave in charge of the largest computer software company in the world.)

    Anyway, to keep all this on-topic, the bottom line is that, by definition and by logic, a drive cannot have just one partition. Partitions are things that come in two or more.

    You can't divide a football league into one division and you can't partition a drive into one partition.

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    wongataa wrote: »

    One partition per drive is best practice for any hard disk. If you need more partitions get more disks.
    Gratis wrote: »


    But with a laptop you don’t have that option
    bluesnake wrote: »

    Often you do have an option of two drives on laptops. I have 2 drives in my laptop ssd and 750Gig.

    Remove the often rarely used dvd drive. Put in a drive bay caddy and large capacity slow disk in caddy (£10 ebay). Put ssd in original drive bay. Possibly buy external usb writer (£14-but I've never used mine).

    People in glass houses Gratis ....... ;)

    You’ve put me on the spot, there. I was sloppy to state unequivocally that putting two drives into a laptop wasn’t an option. I know that it is but I've never done it because I use my superdrive.

    But isn’t a laptop with no optical drive called an “ultrabook”? I concede, however, that if you perform this surgical conversion by removing the optical drive it was a laptop before it became an ultrabook; so you are correct to state that doing so is an option for a laptop. My bad. :o

    But hey! I don’t live in a glass house; I live in a house in Var constructed of fine Provencal granite. And our family home, here, in England was built with Cotswold stone.

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    espresso wrote: »

    A Leopard never changes it spots.

    You do have trouble spelling that one, don’t you?
    espresso wrote: »

    Off to the principality this weekend - a leopard never changes it's spots.

    (Text removed by MSE Forum Team)

    Thanks for fixing the weather for me in England, this year. :)

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    50Twuncle wrote: »

    Crucial offered me 50% of the drop in price as a "Gesture of goodwill" which I have accepted - £20 back !!

    Well, that hit the spot nicely. :money:

    Crucial probably figured that the hassle, cost and delay to you of mailing it back to them by Recorded Delivery under DSR would amount to about the same as the remaining 50%, so you’d agree to it.

    And if the one you’ve got works and the replacement had proved to be defective…

    You got a result; accepting it was a wise thing to do.

    Thanks for tipping us all off that Crucial is a pu$$y cat that rolls over when such things occur.
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    PS. Some recommend that with an SSD it's safer to perform a clean install and re-import, rather than clone. (I would.)
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  • RobTang
    RobTang Posts: 1,064 Forumite
    Gratis wrote: »
    But isn’t a laptop with no optical drive called an “ultrabook”?

    Its not, a laptop can be called an Ultrabook if it meets a certain specification, there's nothing stopping an Ultrabook having an optical drive and indeed some do.

    Otherwise many of the larger laptops also have multiple HDD bays even without removing the optical drive.
    I've seen a few with mSata slots and in theory because many laptops use mini pci e card for their wireless comms you can swap it out for an mini pci e SSD and use a tiny usb adapter for wireless (although admittedly this isn't a good idea).
  • 50Twuncle
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    edited 14 August 2013 at 7:50AM
    I have fitted my SSD and this has been detected by the BIOS and Windows - but as a 100Mb storage device (it IS 240Gb) - I went in to Admin Tools/Computer Management and formatted it as the full wack (NTFS primary partition) - however, when I reboot - it reverts to 100Mb !!
    What am I doing wrong ?
  • Lum
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    Did someone already partition it before it was sold to you?
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