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Intervention ... my take on it all....
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An abysmal idea that managed to unite the Green party and the First Gear team in agreement that it was the maddest idea ever.didn't they already try cars? Scrappage?
Let's never speak of it againThere is no honour to be had in not knowing a thing that can be known - Danny Baker0 -
Graham_Devon wrote: »Sure, one is giving necessary shelter.
The other is subsidising a choice.
That doesn't explain why the Government should own the housing.0 -
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Graham_Devon wrote: »Sure, one is giving necessary shelter.
The other is subsidising a choice.
One is helping people RENT nice houses that they otherwise wouldn't be able to rent.
The other is helping people BUY nice houses that they otherwise wouldn't be able to buy.
The subsidy goes way beyond a government obligation to provide necessary housing.
I assume people who receive subsidies are really grateful0 -
Graham_Devon wrote: »Sure, one is giving necessary shelter.
The other is subsidising a choice.
Both are subsidising necessary shelter.
And subsidising buying often proves far cheaper for the government than subsidising renting.
I'd rather the government did the most cost-effective thing rather than cutting off it's nose to spite it's face.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »Both are subsidising necessary shelter.
And subsidising buying often proves far cheaper for the government than subsidising renting.
I'd rather the government did the most cost-effective thing rather than cutting off it's nose to spite it's face.
Not to mention the fact that the Government has shown itself to be terrible at housing provision down the decades.0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »Both are subsidising necessary shelter.
In very different ways.
This is plainly obvious.
You would rather the government did whatever was needed to raise HPI. No need to fluff it up!0 -
Not to mention the fact that the Government has shown itself to be terrible at housing provision down the decades.
Aye, just arguably one of the most succesful house building programmes in the world was carried out post war. You call it terrible. Terrible why? because it didn't make money?
It genuinley helped millions. It was only capitalism that eventually destoyed it like it destroys pretty much everything else.0 -
2 million households are on council waiting lists.
Private housebuilding/mortgages/owner occupation/BTL isn't meeting demand on it's own. Never has and never will.
I wonder how many properties are being released through the bedroom "tax"? There is a shortage of 1 bedroom accommodation in the social sector. Tenants will shortly be evicted but still need housing. How many more council 3 bed houses are now becoming empty, nationwide, without tenants willing to take them on? What will be the net cost of this policy nationwide.
Governments need to be more creative in meeting supply requirements."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
Graham_Devon wrote: »Aye, just arguably one of the most succesful house building programmes in the world was carried out post war. You call it terrible. Terrible why? because it didn't make money?
It genuinley helped millions. It was only capitalism that eventually destoyed it like it destroys pretty much everything else.
Presumably you missed out on the tower blocks then. An unmitigated disaster in almost all cases. In some cases they were demolishing blocks built in the 1960s in the 1980s.
I'm not sure what yardstick you are using to measure 'the most successful housebuilding program'. What would you say are the rest of the top 5?
My opinion is that the opening up of the London suburbs with the railways and underground system in the late Victorian period was amazing, especially when you consider the 'Dragons' Teeth' of the late 1870s depression.
The expansion into California in the post war period is also quite impressive. You could probably also say the same thing of the 10 pound Poms building fibro houses to fill the gaps in the Australian cities in the post-war period too.
Hausmann in Paris probably deserves a look in as should Bath (the first of the New Towns) and the New Towns of the post war period.
The rebuilding of London in the 1660s and 1670s was pretty awesome too, if nothing else as a rejection of top down planning.
Just a few thoughts to cover some things you might have overlooked.0
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