POPLA Appeal Refused

Stroma

The only higher governing body is the small claims, if it went there providing you follow the advice here you will have an extremely high chance of a win. We do need to know which parking company this is, we can then tell you if they might take that step

Guys_Dad

Buzby wrote: »

As if POPLA would say 'pay £70 within 14 days' ! They would only approve or deny the appeal. I think the advice of ignoring has to come back, as the additional confusion is leading more folk to incriminate themselves and paint themselves into a corner.

Regrettably, evidence on here and previous posts confirm that they DO say that, or words to that effect.

bazster

Guys_Dad wrote: »

Regrettably, evidence on here and previous posts confirm that they DO say that, or words to that effect.

Indeed. Their website still carries the disgraceful wording If your appeal is refused, in order to avoid any further action by the operator, you should then pay the full parking charge within 14 days.

I have formally complained to London Councils about this, to no effect.

Buzby

Guys_Dad wrote: »

Regrettably, evidence on here and previous posts confirm that they DO say that, or words to that effect.

If they do state this, then 'independence' is truly laughable. Their right to exist is an intermediary, hearing formal appeals, which they can either uphold or deny. They have no right to state amounts or when it should be paid - that crosses the line.

I see no benefit whatsoever in even wasting time in involving them, or the current advice to get a 'POPLA Number' - sure, it may cost the parking company down the line, but at the expense of the alternative (ignoring 6 begging letters) the latter option is the most pragmatic.

bazster

Buzby wrote: »

If they do state this, then 'independence' is truly laughable. Their right to exist is an intermediary, hearing formal appeals, which they can either uphold or deny. They have no right to state amounts or when it should be paid - that crosses the line.

I see no benefit whatsoever in even wasting time in involving them, or the current advice to get a 'POPLA Number' - sure, it may cost the parking company down the line, but at the expense of the alternative (ignoring 6 begging letters) the latter option is the most pragmatic.

Are you blind? This little lot is on just the first two pages of PePiPoo right now. Would you recommend these people to ignore the court papers and thereby guarantee a default judgement against them? Do you not think they would've preferred an easy win at POPLA over having to defend a court claim? And if ParkingEye's current experiment with bulk court papers is a "success", what do you think the other PPC's will do? Do you think they might file claims against their ignorers, bearing in mind that they have 6 years to do so?

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=80810

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=81299

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=81049

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=81313

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=81283

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=81309

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=80921

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=81137

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=79317

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=81233

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=81150

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=81265

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=81280

bazster

Buzby wrote: »

As if POPLA would say 'pay £70 within 14 days' ! They would only approve or deny the appeal. I think the advice of ignoring has to come back, as the additional confusion is leading more folk to incriminate themselves and paint themselves into a corner.

In your eagerness to push your "ignore, you might NOT get court papers" mantra, you seem to have overlooked the fact that this poster made (a mess of) her appeal all on her own, without any help or advice from hereabouts.

peter_the_piper

And there's me thinking that POPLA was set up to relieve the strain on the court system. Seems there are more claims going through than there ever was.It'll be very interesting to see what the 12 month figure will be.

bazster

peter_the_piper wrote: »

And there's me thinking that POPLA was set up to relieve the strain on the court system. Seems there are more claims going through than there ever was.

Indeed, it's been a total disaster from that point of view. I'm just waiting on an FOI request regarding court claims in June (to find out exactly how many hundreds or thousands ParkingEye did file) before I write to my MP to ask her what the DfT and the Attorney General intend to do about this unholy mess.

Guys_Dad

bazster wrote: »

Indeed, it's been a total disaster from that point of view. I'm just waiting on an FOI request regarding court claims in June (to find out exactly how many hundreds or thousands ParkingEye did file) before I write to my MP to ask her what the DfT and the Attorney General intend to do about this unholy mess.

I have to say that it's hardly POPLA's fault if motorists choose to use the IGNORE route rather than go through POPLA. Mind you, if everyone did go through POPLA, then the delay in getting hearing would rival the backlog on the immigration cases!

Equally, a PPC has the right to take matters to court if a motorist doesn't avail themselves of the appeal service.

Not sure what the Govt could do to clear things up, but who knows.

Main thing is POPLA is there. Currently, we are seeing wins for motorists where, in the past, they might have paid up as wanting to avoid courts. I see that as things looking up.

bazster

Guys_Dad wrote: »

Main thing is POPLA is there. Currently, we are seeing wins for motorists where, in the past, they might have paid up as wanting to avoid courts. I see that as things looking up.

Currently we are seeing wins at PoPLA for a number of motorists that is so tiny it doesn't even register on the scale compared to the hundreds of thousands of notices being issued. And anyone who goes to PoPLA without finding this place or PePiPoo first will almost certainly lose because they don't know the Magic Incantations, and God knows PoPLA doesn't help with it's misleading "grounds for appeal" and it's total failure to publish it's true terms of reference.

You might congratulate yourself on knowing how to read the goat entrails in order to win at PoPLA and thereby helping half-a-dozen cases here and there, but on the grand scale of things PoPLA, with just its few hundred cases filed out of hundreds of thousands of tickets, is worthless.

Motorists are NOT winning cases that they might previously have paid, they are winning cases they might previously have ignored. It is POFA and keeper liability that has brought about the situation where ParkingEye can now use the court service as an extension of its intimidation, such that we now advise PoPLA instead of ignore. No POFA, and we'd still be ignoring as hard as we could. PoPLA is the b@stard child of POFA, and an almost totally ineffective sop in comparison to the free reign keeper liability has given to the PPC's to wage their campaign of fear and intimidation.