MSE News: Energy bills being pushed up by green policies, Npower claims

Richie-from-the-Boro

jamesd wrote: »

deanatrois, the UK's natural gas comes from the North Sea (via UK, Norway and Netherlands) and LNG imports. In the future it's likely that much will come from fracking and that natural gas will be the cheapest fuel for power generation in the UK.

Nuclear is possibly the most viable green technology around but it has high initial costs, even if they are low compared to wind and the related subsidies and standby power needs that source brings.

Hail the Shale .. .. given the amount of land mass on our relatively tiny Island already overpopulated by windy~mills, where are all the on~land mass wells and farms going to go ?. We have a current peak demand of 60 gigawatts, Kingsnorth and others are closing and our reserve peak margins fell 40% to 15%. Is the mining for unconventional gas going to make up the loss or not ?. One thing for sure shale oil & gas may put the cost up .. .. but I as sure as God made little apples - it will not cut the price of energy to the UK domestic market.

jamesd

At the moment the estimated reserves of shale gas are high and growing. Not just on land, but also offshore, including potentially increasing production from places that were considered exhausted or not viable with previous technology. The where it'll be on land question is often fairly easy: the same places that have already in the past been used for coal and oil, because those are where there are known high concentrations of hydrocarbons. Plenty of tradition in those areas of accepting the assorted costs of such developments.

Shale gas has already cut gas prices elsewhere and that's to be expected for any new and comparatively inexpensive supply. Still more expensive to produce than conventional gas, though that isn't necessarily related to prices, which are more about the supply-demand balance.

In some ways this is a form of waiting game: gas until alternative technologies are developed to very competitive unsubsidised prices before widespread switching to them.

chanz4

you have to ask yourself, where does free loft insulation come from...

Pincher

I used to work in a technical IT capacity where we had a TP (Technical Policy) so things don't fall over, and the system must be available 99.9% of the time, which means the system can be down for only 8 hours in a year.

The Technical Policy says ALL the important parameters, e.g. CPU utilisation, average load should not exceed 65%, with peak load going up to 75% allowed for brief durations. Guess what, the nincompoops just wanted to stuff more and more data into the system so we were running at 98% on a critical resource on a PERMANENT basis. If we add one more item beyond 100% full it means a system crash.

These idiots are no different from the illiterate peasant who overloads the donkey and whips it until it collapses. and then he blames the guy who sold him the donkey for cheating him.

But then the majority of people don't know how anything works! I continuously see foreigner turn up, whip out their camera or phone charger and proceed to force it into the UK socket with the protective slider piece. It's not so bad when they do it to an extension cord, but the brass wall sockets are expensive.

15% spare capacity! OH JOY, we can sell that and my year end bonus is assured, dreams another MBA "executive" with a distinction from writing a business plan on how to cross breed lemmings with sheep, so they come to the slaughterhouse voluntarily once a year.

Pincher

Richie-from-the-Boro wrote: »

I make 'will rise £240 a year' to mean - '£240 a year'.

Paragraph 1.

Household energy bills will be £240 higher each year by 2020 largely due to the mounting cost of Government green policies, energy giant Npower claims.

Paragraph 2.

It says these will be the main driver behind a hike in bills from £1,247 today to £1,487 by the end of the decade.

Hence my confusion.



£240 increase in 7 years? YES please!!

Richie-from-the-Boro

Pincher wrote: »

Paragraph 1.

Household energy bills will be £240 higher each year by 2020 largely due to the mounting cost of Government green policies, energy giant Npower claims.

Paragraph 2.

It says these will be the main driver behind a hike in bills from £1,247 today to £1,487 by the end of the decade.

Hence my confusion.

£240 increase in 7 years? YES please!!

HiYa Pincher, I never read any docs, just the single line that MSE Helen wrote in #1 - I thought you were still in IT, mind you its years and years since I was in the 'other group'.

Pincher

Richie-from-the-Boro wrote: »

HiYa Pincher, I never read any docs, just the single line that MSE Helen wrote in #1 - I thought you were still in IT, mind you its years and years since I was in the 'other group'.

IT? Too old to keep up with all these Java kids.



What does Silvio Berlusconi do with an Exclusive OR?

Taker her to a bunga bunga party.

lstar337

chanz4 wrote: »

you have to ask yourself, where does free loft insulation come from...

The Freeloftinsulationicus tree of course!