Knowing in advance the best way to deal with this parking issue?

Stroma

There's problems using a company/leased/hired vehicles in private car parks, when they get an invoice a lot of employers and hire companies just cough up then expect you to do the same. If its an ANPR system in place you will get tickets sent to those.

If someone in the car park then you have a chance to do something before the NtK arrives. But I can tell you now that it will probably be the pub manager giving the fake invoices out, and the pub landlords getting a rake from each paid fake ticket.

Also this parking company is a joke as they have claims of authority on their website, and probably on their tickets as well. And if their signs also says 'Excess Charge Notice' on them that is a complaint waiting to happen to the dvla, ECNs are issued by councils only, their use of this terminology is a deliberate attempt to swindle people!

Guys_Dad

Look - you don't want a war, you want a solution. The first step is, therefore, for a couple of mums to ask to see the landlord, possibly with the Head teacher, and ask if there is some way, when the car park is not being used and parking where he would prefer, that you could have a small window to drop the children off in the morning. Find out what his objection is.

(You haven't mentioned anything about afternoon pick ups).

See what he says. Much better to do that before both sides become entrenched.

Stroma

The problem is that they are trying to make money out of people using this car park for a short time in the morning for 10-15 minutes, and the same in the afternoon. They appear to want to make money out of people in a fix as of course people take the safety of kids first.

The only reason this company are infesting this car park is to make money, lets face it picking up & dropping off kids at 8.45am and 3.15pm is out of peak hours for the pub, they are hardly going to lose clients by some parents using it for a short time.

But what they will lose are these same parents who live local and will probably use this pub for a bite to eat and to have a few pints, one sure way to pee people off is having scammers there, look what's happening with Aldi right now

Blues_skies

Thanks. Yes indeed a solution rather than a bigger problem. Got enough on my plate! I've emailed school asking for their formal line on this and how far/with whom their discussions have gone. When I get a response I'm going to suggest a meeting and proffer organising it to try and iron it out.

Of course my concern also applies to the afternoon pick up but just really assumed I'd be fighting a pointless cause there as it is private land and the pub is in use at that time, whereas in the morning its not even open so not inconveniencing the pub whatsoever.

Its also worth pointing out that this is wholly targeting the schools visitors as there are no other cars using these spaces at all - its 100% pub patrons, and parents, no one else whatsoever, so therefore if the pub patrons get their £1 refunded then the only people they are profiting from are the parents (if that makes sense) so if he relents on the parents, the whole system is pointless anyway....!

I will update....

bod1467

Blues_skies wrote: »

Should also add that in my particular case, I drive a company car, so I'm slightly concerned not to get dropped in the proverbial for parking somewhere I shouldn't without due fees being paid. Winging it when the car you are in isn't even your own isn't really sensible? If it was my own car I think I would be a bit more laid back!

Probably best to contact your fleet management and ask the question about Notice To Keeper letters. I've done that with my fleet management - although I'm still awaiting a response. (They've passed the buck - I mean question - to the leasing company).

In my case the issue may be slightly complicated by the fact the leasing company and fleet management are in England whereas I am based in Scotland. (PoFA 2012 only applies in England and Wales).

Guys_Dad

Understand what you are saying, stroma. We know why the PPCs want a foor in the door.

What isn't clear is what the landlord was trying to achieve. More income with a cut from the PPC? Problems with mums bad parking upsetting his deliveries?

That's why mums need to have a meeting with him to try to reach some sort of accord.

Stroma

the whole point of this is that the pub will get

From people paying
£1 in the morning
£1 in the afternoon

From people not paying
They will get a fake a ticket

The pub gets
Commission for each payer - typically about £10 a time

You see this is about money nothing else, I mean the pub is not even open in the morning, its just a way of causing problems

patman99

The landlord may not have had any choice in the matter of LPS. The P&D system might well have been foisted on him from Head Office.

By speaking to the landlord, you might find he is as peeved about the situation as you.

Coupon-mad

Blues_skies wrote: »

Thanks. Yes indeed a solution rather than a bigger problem. Got enough on my plate! I've emailed school asking for their formal line on this and how far/with whom their discussions have gone. When I get a response I'm going to suggest a meeting and proffer organising it to try and iron it out.

Of course my concern also applies to the afternoon pick up but just really assumed I'd be fighting a pointless cause there as it is private land and the pub is in use at that time, whereas in the morning its not even open so not inconveniencing the pub whatsoever.

Its also worth pointing out that this is wholly targeting the schools visitors as there are no other cars using these spaces at all - its 100% pub patrons, and parents, no one else whatsoever, so therefore if the pub patrons get their £1 refunded then the only people they are profiting from are the parents (if that makes sense) so if he relents on the parents, the whole system is pointless anyway....!

I will update....

Just to say that you are allowed to stop on double yellows for the purpose of assisted boarding or alighting (helping a child or disabled/elderly person to get out and into adjacent premises, or to immediately escort them from premises to the car, but not WAIT for them). But not if it causes obstruction of course, perhaps not on that busy A road unless it's wide?

bazster

If it's a big chain pub it will not have a landlord, it will have a manager (most likely a spotty 19-year-old) and he/she will do exactly as instructed by the company.

You absolutely must get onto the local papers, they will lap it up. Can't see why you'd need to check with the school first, the school isn't involved in this.