People with electric heating 'to pay £282 more' a year

grizzly1911

More pressure on the individuals purse.

Don't worry it is "only temporary" though. What does that mean?

Millions of people who use electricity to heat their homes may have to pay £282 more a year by 2020, it is being claimed.
Consumer Futures, which used to be known as Consumer Focus, said that 2.1m households will lose out overall, as a result of green energy policies.
1.3m people who heat their homes electrically will be worst-hit, it said.
But the government argues that the rise in energy bills will only be temporary....




The government admits that measures to improve the take-up of green energy will prove costly, but only in the short term.
The Department of Energy and Climate Change (DECC) claims that by 2020, energy bills will be £166 lower than they were in 2012.


http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/newthread.php?do=newthread&f=149


Energy bills will be lower honest, believe us we are politicians and know what we are talking about. Many schemes to help those with higher bills especially if you take up expensive greed deals with 20+ years paybacks.


Shame they couldn't capture the hot air and recirculate it might save on Whitehall heating costs.

Graham_Devon

I've got electric heaters, and it's strange that I'll be hit for a green energy bill when actually I have no choice to do anything else. No gas is piped into the area and due to conservation in the area, never will be.

So what comes first, conservation or green energy?

This has long been happening to those using heating oil. They are just tapping into those using electric now I guess.

There seems little room in government polcy to allow for anyone living outside of the box.

angrypirate

Graham_Devon wrote: »

I've got electric heaters, and it's strange that I'll be hit for a green energy bill when actually I have no choice to do anything else. No gas is piped into the area and due to conservation in the area, never will be.

So what comes first, conservation or green energy?

This has long been happening to those using heating oil. They are just tapping into those using electric now I guess.

There seems little room in government polcy to allow for anyone living outside of the box.

The inefficiencies of burning gas to produce heat to generate electricity to transport through the grid to an end user that then uses it to generate heat (again) does make the green energy policies sound reasonable. However with no other energy grid to properties such as yours, the government should first make sure there are mechanisms in place to ensure alternatives are available.

Graham_Devon

angrypirate wrote: »

The inefficiencies of burning gas to produce heat to generate electricity to transport through the grid to an end user that then uses it to generate heat (again) does make the green energy policies sound reasonable. However with no other energy grid to properties such as yours, the government should first make sure there are mechanisms in place to ensure alternatives are available.

There are a lot of areas of "outstanding natural beauty" which do not have piped gas. Nor are you allowed bottled gas in some areas.

My workplace has been denied solar panels as it would "spoil the landscape". So we can't tap into that either.

A lot use heating oil to get around this issue, but they have already found themselves serious penalised.

It's a bit like taxing 4x4's to deal with a problem in London again. This completely ignores the fact that many in areas outside of London genuinely need 4x4's, especially in the winter due to the road network. So they end up ignored and paying £450 tax a year.

Mr._Pricklepants

Graham_Devon wrote: »

I've got electric heaters, and it's strange that I'll be hit for a green energy bill when actually I have no choice to do anything else. No gas is piped into the area and due to conservation in the area, never will be.

Isn't that something you were aware of when you bought?

grizzly1911

I took a holiday in Scotland in late September/October, way out on the West Coast last year that only had electric storage heating and an immersion heater. It did have a night rate meter .

I did watch the energy use out of interest (sad I know) and was shocked at the amount used and what would have been the cost relative to our own home with GFCH.

AIUI Scotland does get some kind of "subsidy" to recognise the lower average temperature. My understanding may be wrong , even if it isn't I can't believe the reduction goes anywhere making up the shortfall.

Luckily it did have a log burner for local heat as NSHs suffer from the Achilles heel of not really giving you warmth in the evening, when you probably need it most, regardless of the damper settings.

Graham_Devon

Mr._Pricklepants wrote: »

Isn't that something you were aware of when you bought?

Yes, of course.

I wasn't aware a green intiative would come along and punish like this later down the line though.

I'm not really complaining about it, just stating the facts. You've basically said "were you not aware you were buying a 4x4 when you bought it". Of course people were, they couldn't have known the government would double the tax for it a couple of years later though.

angrypirate

I used to live in an area of outstanding natural beauty and I noticed this problem too. Usually caused by "friends" - people who didnt actually live there but visited on a regular basis and felt they should have the power to petition to make decision for the people who lived there. The other were county councillors - again, not usually immediately local and didnt appreciate the day to day problems for the locals

grizzly1911

Mr._Pricklepants wrote: »

Isn't that something you were aware of when you bought?

I doubt is restricted to just GDs home it probably affects all in a particular area. Many flats don't give any alternative either.

A relative of mine is downsizing and one of the properties they looked at only had electric heating which effectively ruled it out. They had a choice.

AIUI- aren't there regulations,coming into force for new builds, that will disallow GFCH going forward?

Mr._Pricklepants

grizzly1911 wrote: »

AIUI- aren't there regulations,coming into force for new builds, that will disallow GFCH going forward?

I don't know? Is this actual policy already or just an idea they're playing with? It would be a huge mistake.

Personally, I would run a mile from an 'elec only' property when buying, although I realise one's options can be limited at that time.

CLAPTON

The commitment to go 'green' goes back the the 90s so there is not excuse for not knowing about the commitment and the likely costs.

There were acres of newsprint talking about the aditional costs but many didn't want to hear as they believed all the nonsense about 'green jobs' and sustainable energy.

Combined with the unaccountable and totally undemocratic way national parks are run then it is inevitable that many parts of the country and very badly hit financially.

4x4 were a different issue; the high level of taxation was simply a result of a hate campaign of Gordon Brown against jummy mummies; which before all the floods / snow etc was popular in the press.