Parking charge fee in own parking space

kaych

Hi all, need help on a parking fee? fine?
I just found a Parking Charge Notice on my car while parking in my own space. The parking space is in the basement. We bought the flat that came with the parking space! The reason for the fine was 'failure to display a valid permit/ expired permit'.
We have been told a year back that a managing company has been employed to manage our car park and we were issued a permit. I did display it but I guess not clearly as I just left it near the dashboard rather than stuck it on our windscreen.
What is the next step? I have been told I should write a letter to them and dispute it? However, I am annoyed at the fact that I get fined for parking in my OWN space?? what is the most they can do if we ignore this? The worst is they will find our address and realise that the car is registered to our flat which gives us the right to park in our space?
Any help and advice on this is much appreciated.
Thanks.

Coupon-mad

Which company - PCM UK maybe?! Like the case discussed here?

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=78026&mode=linearplus

The worst a company like this can do is 'try' a small claim, that's all (which you'd defend and win - and which is very rare). But that won't happen if you simply appeal and then do a strong winning appeal to POPLA. That's the independent appeal stage and we know how to get these fake PCNs cancelled by POPLA. = SCAM OVER!

Is this in England/Wales and is this an AOS member parking company? Who?

So you wait for the first letter to be sent to the registered keeper and THEN just do a simple appeal first to the scumbags NOT SAYING who was driving and not giving away any details. We can help you to draft that and then at POPLA stage you can do a strong appeal a bit like the one on that linked thread (on page 3 I think, read the whole thread). Do not respond to any fake PCN on your vehicle windscreen (unless it's a company/hire car where you'd have to). Always wait for the Notice to Keeper first, some companies never follow these fake PCNs up at all and others issue flawed Notices, too late. All of which helps your case at POPLA stage!

worried_jim

Just ignore it. It's your parking space there is nothing they can ever do despite the threats.

Coupon-mad

worried_jim wrote: »

Just ignore it. It's your parking space there is nothing they can ever do despite the threats.

That used to be the advice but not now. POPLA is best if in England/Wales, for lots of good reasons I have typed out before when asked!

kaych

Thanks for the replies!

yes it is in England.
The company is called LPP Ltd, I can't see it on the list of AOS member. Can't even find what LPP stands for...

27col

The first thing to remember is that the PPC is not there to manage the car park or the parking. They are there to make a living by issuing tickets for exorbitant amounts, based on spurious "offences" made up entirely by the PPC.
Who the hell are they to say that you have to display a permit to park in your own parking space. Treat them with the contempt they deserve.
By the way, you haven't been "fined" . It is just a speculative invoice that they are asking you to pay. People who don't know any better sometimes pay these speculative invoices. But you now know better than to fall for the scam.

Coupon-mad

kaych wrote: »

Thanks for the replies!

yes it is in England.
The company is called LPP Ltd, I can't see it on the list of AOS member. Can't even find what LPP stands for...

All the more reason not to respond and to wait and see if they write to the registered keeper. A non-AOS member CANNOT get DVLA data at all and can't rely on the ownership details held by your managing agent either (that would be a DPA breach). So this bunch cannot write to you unless they are an AOS member, cannot follow this piece of rubbish up at all.

So sit tight and you should hear no more about this fake PCN. Keep it though, and tell us if a letter somehow arrives out of the blue as we can then advise further.

kaych

Thanks guys for all your advice!

That's good to know and has put our mind at ease, we will just wait and see if anything come through the post. Cheers!

Stroma

They could still write to you mind if they have your address from your parking bay, so if you get something posted to your flat with for example your address and the registered keeper as the name, come back to us as this will be very naughty of them.

Coupon-mad

Stroma wrote: »

They could still write to you mind if they have your address from your parking bay, so if you get something posted to your flat with for example your address and the registered keeper as the name, come back to us as this will be very naughty of them.

Yep because they can only claim 'registered keeper liability' if they get the details from the DVLA. Not through a 'back door' method.

Guys_Dad

The other point is sign wording.

Please let us know exactly what the wording is as it applies to displaying your pass. Every chance that it is ambiguous and you can easily and validly claim to have met their conditions.

Also, should they get in touch, see what photographs they have taken.