Is my grandson British?

coolcait

notanewuser wrote: »

As slowcoachme is the OP, that's more than a coincidence! :rotfl:

Someone posting on their own thread, using their own name?

That is more than a coincidence. In some cases, it's practically unheard of :rotfl:

coolcait

Treevo wrote: »

Iirc when a country demands you revoke 'allegiance', the British Government takes no notice and still considers you a British citizen. As it should.

The only thing the other country can actually do is require you to use that country's passport when traveling into and out of that country. And in some cases charge you taxes.

That doesn't appear to be the case, based on the information on the UK Border Agency website.

If you renounce British Citizenship - which is often because you have another nationality or citizenship which doesn't allow dual nationality - then it is renounced.

If you renounce British citizenship in order to take up another nationality, you are allowed (once) to resume British citizenship. There are various loopholes to the 'once' part.

If a child is born overseas, and gets British citizenship because one of both of its parents are British, then in the vast majority of cases that child has British citizenship 'by descent'.

That means that if they later have a child which is born overseas, then (in the vast majority of cases) they will not be able to pass British citizenship on to the child.

The exceptions tend to be when the parent/parents are serving overseas on Crown Service - e.g. in the military or Diplomatic Service. In those cases, the child is effectively deemed to have been born in the UK, and woould be British 'otherwise than by descent'

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My husband was born of British parents born abroad and had to claim his British nationality a few years ago.

He also holds a Canadian passport (thats where he was born) and in doing so, has dual nationality.

gotnodosh

coolcait wrote: »

That doesn't appear to be the case, based on the information on the UK Border Agency website.

If you renounce British Citizenship - which is often because you have another nationality or citizenship which doesn't allow dual nationality - then it is renounced.

If you renounce British citizenship in order to take up another nationality, you are allowed (once) to resume British citizenship. There are various loopholes to the 'once' part.

If a child is born overseas, and gets British citizenship because one of both of its parents are British, then in the vast majority of cases that child has British citizenship 'by descent'.

That means that if they later have a child which is born overseas, then (in the vast majority of cases) they will not be able to pass British citizenship on to the child.

The exceptions tend to be when the parent/parents are serving overseas on Crown Service - e.g. in the military or Diplomatic Service. In those cases, the child is effectively deemed to have been born in the UK, and woould be British 'otherwise than by descent'

I meant renounce, I used the wrong word. Forgive me, I am German lol. If I ever wanted to have British citizenship (I don't), then I would have to ask to keep my German nationality. Years ago I would have had to give it up.

fluffnutter

slowcoachme wrote: »

She's half Arab

What does this mean? 'Arab' isn't a nationality.

coolcait

gotnodosh wrote: »

I meant renounce, I used the wrong word. Forgive me, I am German lol. If I ever wanted to have British citizenship (I don't), then I would have to ask to keep my German nationality. Years ago I would have had to give it up.

No worries about using the 'wrong' word - I knew what you meant .

I just wanted to make it clear that if someone does renounce their British nationailty, then they will no longer be considered British - in terms of rights to a passport and so on. They may still consider themselves British in their heart.

As for the OP, now that I've been reminded that the OP is indeed 'slowcoachme' :rotfl:, it's maybe worth reiterating the point that this grandson will automatically have British nationality, because he has been born in the UK to a British parent.

If the OP's daughter has another child overseas, with her current partner or with another non-British national, then that child will not automatically get British nationality, because the OP's daughter cannot pass on her nationality outside the UK.

neverdespairgirl

slowcoachme wrote: »

When I had my daughter in M East, I remember something about If she had a baby with a non British, that baby wouldn't be British. Not sure if that was cos she was born overseas or because at the time her father was Jordanian. I know the rules on immigration have changed so much over the years. Nationality matters as its so much easier if they are able to travel with British passports.

Other posters are right - assuming you weren't on diplomatic service or similar, your daughter is "British by descent", whereas you are "British otherwise than by descent". My OH is the same - born in the Middle East (Israel) with a British father, so he is British by descent. Our son was born in London, and has two British citizens as parents, so he is British otherwise than by descent.

If OH had had a child in Israel with an Israeli, that child wouldn't have been automatically British.

If a person who is British by descent has a child where the other parent isn't British, then that child (usually, subject to some exceptions) will be British from birth if born in the UK, and not British if born elsewhere. The child, your grandson, will be "British otherwise than by descent".

slowcoachme

fluffnutter wrote: »

What does this mean? 'Arab' isn't a nationality.

I don't have to say to you which Arab country, but if you had read properly you will have read that her father at the time was Jordanian. If you ask my daughter how she sees herself she will say half Arab half British. The comment is not helpful to my question.

To all the other posters, many thanks for your input.

fluffnutter

slowcoachme wrote: »

I don't have to say to you which Arab country, but if you had read properly you will have read that her father at the time was Jordanian. If you ask my daughter how she sees herself she will say half Arab half British. The comment is not helpful to my question.

If your ego is this fragile perhaps you shouldn't post on internet forums.

PoorCharleyBear

A person born to British parents, overseas is British by descent.

If that person's child is born outside UK, the child is not British.
If that person's child is born in UK, the child is British.

I guess the logic is that if a person who is British by descent, has their child overseas, they have no real ties to UK.

(My H is British by descent and our child was born overseas, but is British through me, as I am British born!)