JSA Requirements

SaveMeDo

I've have THREE JSAgreements this year, one was to include the "look on UJM for two jobs every week" and another because the guy who wrote the second one didn't write a legal one, my adviser shook her head and wrote a new one.

They can't just put anything on them, they must be lawful and reasonable.

MisterMan_2

LittleVoice wrote: »

No.
I was asking how job search progress was being recorded.
If you can remember all those details of every job you have applied for, well done you (or you have applied for just a very few).
Depending on the answer to the question, I might have given an answer.

Not exactly hard to remember really. You apply for a job, you put so much time and effort into your application you're not likely to forget the details (then again, maybe you've never applied for a professional level job before).

LittleVoice

Gaz1971 wrote: »

Im writing it all in the diary sheets but they have suddenly started to find fault with whats written all the time, its all started since UJM went live and Im wondering if its a new ploy to get people to use UJM.

Thank you for replying.
Their request may well be an attempt to get you to give access to your UJM account.

Personally, I'd keep my own file of applications which I'd take to sign-on sessions as full evidence of what I was doing in my jobsearch.

I can't see that they can get you to spend money on getting print-outs of everything if you don't need them for yourself. If they want copies, they could photocopy what you have (handwritten notes or whatever).

Presumably your jobseeker's agreement doesn't say that you will provide print-outs of everything you do.

If they don't like how you are recording things, get them to spell out what they do want to see.

LittleVoice

MisterMan wrote: »

Not exactly hard to remember really. You apply for a job, you put so much time and effort into your application you're not likely to forget the details (then again, maybe you've never applied for a professional level job before).

Perhaps not hard to remember if you apply for one, entry level, job where all you have to remember is the name of the employer and the job title.

But if you are actually applying for more than that, have researched the orgaisation, tailored your application to the requirements of each vacancy, want to be able to review it all before interviews, and are fully engaged in jobsearch because you are unemployed and want to find work - then I think having a sensible system for recording it all might show a professional approach to work.

MisterMan_2

LittleVoice wrote: »

Perhaps not hard to remember if you apply for one, entry level, job where all you have to remember is the name of the employer and the job title.

But if you are actually applying for more than that, have researched the orgaisation, tailored your application to the requirements of each vacancy, want to be able to review it all before interviews, and are fully engaged in jobsearch because you are unemployed and want to find work - then I think having a sensible system for recording it all might show a professional approach to work.

Entry level? I'm in a profession where I can work anywhere in the world and don't have to worry about being refused visa's etc, because of my level of qualifications, but yeah sure, entry level positions that's it.

But seriously, if somebody has to write down the details, then that suggests to me that they've not really put their full effort into their application - or - researched the position/area enough. If you put effort into researching it, then you should know this stuff of by heart... After all, mid interview, you'll come across as pretty dull if (when asked) what do you know about the organisation, you say you don't know and you have to refer to your little database.

(and I'm not unemployed atm, but I'm expecting to be for a few months in between positions - hence why I'm taking an interest in the views of people on this board).

SaveMeDo

Look, why do people keep posting crap about UJM?

Here is the tool kit for DWP staff regarding UJM

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/151933/response/371913/attach/html/4/Universal%20Jobmatch%20Toolkit.pdf.html

I would bet most of the staff at the DWP don't even know this exists!

Issuing a Jobseeker’s Direction to mandate JSA claimants to
create a profile and public CV in Universal Jobmatch
51. Where you have explained the benefits to claimants of creating a profile
and public CV in Universal Jobmatch and they will not do so willingly, they
can be mandated to create a profile and public CV.
52. However, for legal reasons, you cannot issue a Jobseeker’s Direction to
mandate a claimant to create a profile and public CV unless a DWP IAD
service is reasonably available to them should they need to use one - for
example, because they do not want to accept cookies and therefore need
to have access to a device on which cookies have already been accepted.
53. You also cannot issue a Jobseeker’s Direction to mandate a claimant to
give us access to their account – this is their decision not ours.

Gaz1971

Who was posting crap about UJM?

SaveMeDo

Who was posting crap about UJM?

The people who keep saying that allowing the DWP to access your UJM account is a good idea.

No one should allow their account to be accessed, it is stupid thing to do and those doing so are leaving themselves open to constant surveillance by the government.

Gaz1971

Oh right, thought you had misunderstood something I had said. Yeah I wouldnt give them access, its a minefield.

ArtoDeeto

You have to demonstrate exactly what you have done to find work and a verbal "I handed my CV in to a few shops" won't really cut the mustard (I appreciate this is not the position in your case).
Technically no you don't have to provide print-outs, you could offer to forward on emails.

scooby088 wrote: »

I record everything UJM if they want print outs they can do it themselves, I haven't got a printer and not paying the 10p a copy at the library.

Well they can't if you won't let them have access.

Gaz1971 wrote: »

I dont like all the uncertainty regarding how it will be used to sanction people. If Im more likely to get sanctioned using UJM, obviously I wont use it.

If you are doing everything you can to find work you should never get a sanction.

The gist is no you can't be forced to provide UJM access but you can be forced to set up a UJM account. If someone said to me you can't have access I would ask why, and if they said I'm afraid it might be used to give me a sanction then it would make me think they are doing (or not doing) something to get a sanction.