Letter of Authority

Gingernutty

Mr_Ted wrote: »

The authorities themselves will NOT recognise the fact that this person is not in a state of mind to either state relevent fact, defend themself, or respond to their opinion and questions, and to allow someone to attend appointments and meeting with them to act and state matters that they actually have knowledge of.

I am extremely annoyed, as they have been told of the situation, and this situation is putting this person at an extreme disadvantage with possible adverse effects on their life, not to understate the case that the authorities in question are making knee jerk reaction and statements NOT based on the true facts, that are judgemental in the extreme, and there is always a bias that they are always right and can do no wrong, even when they are NOT right and DO do things wrong :mad:

What I need to know is how it can be positively addressed so that a person more cognisant can attend meetings with them to act and state facts that they have full knowledge of on their behalf, and to have full knowledge of proceedings so as to eliminate any risks of a miscarriage of judgement.

To this end I have drafted the following for submission to the authorities and would request some professional advise please?

To Whom It May Concern

I, ***********, hereby authorise ************, and/or **********, to attend appointments or meetings with me and on my behalf, at my discretion, and to have full knowledge of proceedings, and to be allowed to state or comment on my behalf in respect of said proceedings, and to request, supply, or receive any relevant information in respect of said proceedings on my behalf, during or thereafter, without duress or reprisal!
Signed

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Witnessed

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Do you think this would be accepted to enable proper representation, or do you have any alternatives to offer please?


I know this is somewhat vague in respect of the authorities in question which is due to this being of an extremely personal nature, however I may be able to state more by PM


Many Thanks in advance for any advice offered!

Mr_Ted wrote: »

It is not a situation of someone being incapable, as anyone who is aware of how stress anxiety and depression can affect responses when in a situation of stress that causes anxiety, its then a matter of being able to think logically and respond appropriately and having the support of someone who knows the history and issues and respond appropriately!

It is an extremely unfortunate fact that authority has an extremely bad habit of making and stating judgemental statements that are inflamatory to the recipient, especially when they are biased towards the statements of others that are untruthful and devisive!
When a persons mind is already confused, to be able to respond appropriately under duress is very difficult to recall the full facts and timelines, which is where support is needed!

There seems to be NO unbiased decision processes, and also no attempt to investigate the FULL facts BEFORE being judgemental from certain authorities, just a calculated defensive response of THAT authority, at the expense of rights to be heard in a fair and in consideration of the effects on ALL concerned in long term complicated issues.

Basically a COMPLETE LACK OF TACT, and distortion of CONTEXT, as exist in the case in question, that actually exastabates a situation, NOT RESOLVE it!

It has to be said that facts on the issues that are being distorted in this case have been voiciforacly offered, with documentary evidence, independently, and without any bias, but been totally refused, THAT is in my opinion UNFAIR!

FACTS are what are important, and I would add that although it involves a family member, we understand the FACTS and history better than anyone, AND we do not condone any misdemeanors of the family member, but are being denied a voice or to support what is blatant untruth by another party involve, who is also actively being malicious and influencing others!

This as I said is not an issue I am prepared to debate publically, what I need and ask is will the draft letter I have stated be given any credence please?

Mr_Ted wrote: »

:pIf you have NO constructive comment to make troll, and no professional opinion or experience, take a hike, you dont impress me, or probably anyone else, apart from having nothing better to do than criticise

Just a quick note:-

You strike me as one of those people who could start a fight in an empty room. Very argumentative. If it's you accompanying the relative, lay off the mouth and the attitude - you could make what sounds like a bad situation very much worse.

coolcait

I hope that you don't treat the person who suffers from stress and anxiety in the same way that you have treated posters on this forum.

If the 'authority' knows that this is the way you behave, how confident can they be that the person who is not "particularly able to either state, remember, or take on board proceedings and issues in either a cognisant, logical, or manner that reflects the true facts" hasn't been forced or coerced into signing the letter of authority?

Mr_Ted

Gingernutty wrote: »

To answer your question, the letter has no standing in law but there might be a chance that it is taken as an expression of your relative's wishes.

You probably know about POA and Deputyship of the Court of Protection and if you have not gone down that route, then you probably have your reasons.

Taking the letter into account, the "authority" might allow you to sit with your relative and act on their behalf, however, they may not be obligated to accommodate you so be prepared to be knocked back.

If it is a legal thing, then you may be able to act as a McKenzie friend .

Thanks

Yes I am aware of the POA and the legalities issues and should it come to legal responsibilies a solicitor may be required.

At present this is more of a situation of the authorities, yes there are 2, both of whom appear to be colluding and taking advantage of the inexperience of a young and vulnerable individual who has difficulty in expressing their full feelings and conflicts, and by being unprepared to listen to those closest to the whole situation as it has evolved, and probably doing some A-S-S covering in the process, are taking a very biased distorted and judgmental view, in the misguided pretext that they are protecting the welfare of another?

It is unfortunately very complex, BUT unless the authorities actually take the responsibility of the need to know the FULL story, rather than only one side, it is probable that a miscarriage will occur, a young persons life will be ruined, and an actual irresponsible divisive malicious individual, currently being allowed responsibilities they should not have, putting others at risk?

Mr_Ted

Gingernutty wrote: »

Just a quick note:-

You strike me as one of those people who could start a fight in an empty room. Very argumentative. If it's you accompanying the relative, lay off the mouth and the attitude - you could make what sounds like a bad situation very much worse.

Sorry but I asked for help on a particular problem, not personal judgement, and the room has been inhabited by interlopers intent on troublemaking, thats part of the whole problem that prompted my post, individuals making comment on others without knowledge of the full facts of the issue.
The pertinent fact here being will the draft letter have the desired effect in allowing someone who needs support receiving it?
I despair that on this particular forum individuals who offer nothing constructive can make personal comment which when responded to is deemed to be arguementative, mouthy attitude!
It seems society is allowed to comment on individuals, whilst an individual cannot respond in defense, is that the democratic process we all uphold, find people guilty of a crime without a jury,and ignoring the issues?

Errata

Mr_Ted wrote: »

:pIf you have NO constructive comment to make troll, and no professional opinion or experience, take a hike, you dont impress me, or probably anyone else, apart from having nothing better to do than criticise

In that case, my professional opinion and experience is that you instruct a solicitor to draw up the document, thus ensuring the person is capable of understanding it, agrees with the contents, and their signature is properly witnessed.

ValHaller

Gingernutty wrote: »

Just a quick note:-

You strike me as one of those people who could start a fight in an empty room. Very argumentative. If it's you accompanying the relative, lay off the mouth and the attitude - you could make what sounds like a bad situation very much worse.

While I agree that there is a risk that Mr Ted could make a bad situation worse, I think you have very little basis in anything he has said to actually suggest that he is someone who could start a fight in an empty room.

You have to take into account that whatever the matter is, Mr Ted is very concerned for his family member over what must be a very difficult situation which leads to some great difficulty for Mr Ted in expressing the situation here in a fluent way. You just need to make allowances.

FWIW, and with absolutely no knowledge on my part, suppose the scenario is that Mr Ted has an autistic spectrum son in late teen years who is in some kind of training with other teens across a spectrum of special needs. And suppose for whatever reason, he got involved in consensual sexual activity with a girl on the same training - but whose limitations are different such that she would be regarded as vulnerable but such that she is much more socially functional and able to manipulate - and who is deflecting trouble from herself over the sexual activity by blaming Mr Ted's son.

Now suppose the police are involved. The truth of the matter is that the police will not spend much time on examining whether the activity was consensual nor on the special needs of Mr Ted's son. They will be focussed on the vulnerability of the girl and will glide past the question of whether a crime was committed and get straight on with the business of getting a conviction because they can rather than questioning whether they should.

Now, if we have a situation like that, I can see exactly where Mr Ted is coming from, the anguish behind the question and the complete awkwardness with which the question is posed.

podperson

I'm sorry but it's very difficult to advise without knowing the authorities as they can have such different requirements.
A letter like that wouldn't be a 'legal document' so it would simply be a request on the part of your family member and it would be up to the authority whether they were willing/able to accomodate that (I say willing as depending on their own procedures they may legally only be able to share information with certain authorised individuals).
If your family member has mental health issues like anxiety then have they looked into whether they could use an advocacy service?

Mr_Ted

ValHaller wrote: »

While I agree that there is a risk that Mr Ted could make a bad situation worse, I think you have very little basis in anything he has said to actually suggest that he is someone who could start a fight in an empty room.
You have to take into account that whatever the matter is, Mr Ted is very concerned for his family member over what must be a very difficult situation which leads to some great difficulty for Mr Ted in expressing the situation here in a fluent way. You just need to make allowances.
FWIW, and with absolutely no knowledge on my part, suppose the scenario is that Mr Ted has an autistic spectrum son in late teen years who is in some kind of training with other teens across a spectrum of special needs. And suppose for whatever reason, he got involved in consensual sexual activity with a girl on the same training - but whose limitations are different such that she would be regarded as vulnerable but such that she is much more socially functional and able to manipulate - and who is deflecting trouble from herself over the sexual activity by blaming Mr Ted's son.

Now suppose the police are involved. The truth of the matter is that the police will not spend much time on examining whether the activity was consensual nor on the special needs of Mr Ted's son. They will be focussed on the vulnerability of the girl and will glide past the question of whether a crime was committed and get straight on with the business of getting a conviction because they can rather than questioning whether they should.
Now, if we have a situation like that, I can see exactly where Mr Ted is coming from, the anguish behind the question and the complete awkwardness with which the question is posed.

:)Thank you very much for your understanding of what is a complex, worrying and contentious matter, for ALL the family,:)

The problems being created also have a wider implications of the complete lack of Tact and unsubstantiated statements being received by one authority to another and being relayed in a judgemental manner to my family member, which heightens his already disturbed state of mind, and also the fact that the 2nd authority is actually passing on to the 1st authority totally unfactual comments, which we know to be the case as some of the family members have actually been fully involved in the issues that are being misquoted:(

This raises 2 issues that need to be dealt with, 1/ the support that my family member needs, that he is inexperienced in and has difficulty in expressing, from family members, who have full knowledge of the issues raised in past dealings with the authority, and by the way which my family member has requested, not been bullied into, although by virtue of what has happened over a long period has actually involved other family members, including myself, and IMO therefore gives us an individual right to reply!
And 2/ dealing with the manner in which both authorities, who should not operate with any bias, have misused incorrect information which has and will heighten problems that are still in need of resolution.

Yes, the situation that has occured has made ME particularly angry for 2 reasons, I know the facts, and I am not prepared to see authorities that are using protocols to avoid having to answer questions whilst they are using inaccurate information and making inaccurate judgements that will have serious repurcusions on family members futures:mad:
I have no problems in dealing with the issues in a responsible manner, BUT I will state facts and lay blame where it clearly lies, once the full facts are given credence and been heard by all parties!

The WHOLE purpose of the need for some sort of letter is to ensure fair play and the TRUE facts are dealt with!

I would remind those that scoff that IF I were legally trained I would have NO need to ask what I have, WOULD I, and that if people DO know of a better way of doing what is needed then another option rather than to be as judgemental, sarcastic and insulting, would be to state THAT option is the appropriate way to respond:p

Once again I thank you for the response here:beer:

Mr_Ted

podperson wrote: »

I'm sorry but it's very difficult to advise without knowing the authorities as they can have such different requirements.
A letter like that wouldn't be a 'legal document' so it would simply be a request on the part of your family member and it would be up to the authority whether they were willing/able to accomodate that (I say willing as depending on their own procedures they may legally only be able to share information with certain authorised individuals).
If your family member has mental health issues like anxiety then have they looked into whether they could use an advocacy service?

Thank you, I do appreciate the vagueness, but as I have said I am not inclined to get into a situation of public debate on such a personal issue, which I hope you will appreciate;)
The gossips and over the fence jury can get their jollies from the soaps as i am not going to feed their sad sick addiction;)

I appreciate the legallities issue of the letter, which is needed in some form as help from family members has BEEN REQUESTED, and it is unfortunate that the complexities of the issue at hand requres actual participant who have been involved previously to be allowed to state their own knowledge of facts rather than an Advocate who will not have 1st hand knowledge of everything.

Many thanks

Mr_Ted

Errata wrote: »

In that case, my professional opinion and experience is that you instruct a solicitor to draw up the document, thus ensuring the person is capable of understanding it, agrees with the contents, and their signature is properly witnessed.

:rotfl:And theres me of the opinion that the focus of this forum was on :money:and the only conclusion I can draw from your comments would be that you have a self interest in NOT offering an option:p after all, if you had an option of requirements, as you state them, writing here is free;)