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paulineb_2

coinxoperated wrote: »

Ok, this is the plan moving forward.

I've got another job I could start Monday, which I have now told the employers that offered me a job knowing all of the previous history along with the reference mess that I will be starting if they cannot confirm by the end of today should they wish me to start next week due to my financial concerns.

The company is extremely new and I just have this niggle that whatever happens and whenever I start, it will result in them having to terminate the contract because of the reference from my ex employer. My other job offer again are fully aware of the circumstances, but as its in a totally different sector, I think the ex-employer won't bother contacting them. To put it bluntly, I think that the ex-employer is scared I will be improving the other company in the same sector and put another competitor on their radar.

I am so disheartened and angry that she has been non-factual about my work standards.

Out of interest, if the reference my ex-employer provides in wirting does end up in my job offer being withdrawn, should I ask for a copy of the reference? If the ex-employer has stated that it cannot be shared with me, is there anyway I can find out exactly what was stated in writing? Such as requesting a copy from my ex-employers HR department or similar? How can I prove that the ex-manager has been non-factual if I can't see what was written?

Thanks

You have the right to see anything thats written about you under the data protection act. In fact anytime I ever did write a reference for someone, it didnt leave the building until they had seen it. If you are in a union Id give them a call.

Missme

OP, this will sound harsh:

You repeat continuously in this and the earlier thread that you have been open and honest both about the fraudlent document altering and the dismissal. Who are you trying to convince?

You were only honest about your 'mistake' once the net was closing and time and money had been spent. That's not laudable by any standard.

Your ex-line manager may know you to be an excellent employee but it only takes one incident to damage a reputation for a very long time.

Would a reference normally have come from your boss directly or are they normally vetted by HR? He may have shot himself in the foot in trying to help you. The big boss may be seeking create distance
to ensure, should you make another 'mistake', that the company is not seen to have endorsed you as an employee. I think that's fair enough.

I'm reading that you've been humbled by this experience but I'm not feeling it, I'm afraid. Maybe the big boss has a vendetta or maybe she thinks you still have a lesson to learn.

Kayalana99

Missme wrote: »

I'm reading that you've been humbled by this experience but I'm not feeling it, I'm afraid. Maybe the big boss has a vendetta or maybe she thinks you still have a lesson to learn.

Either way the 'big boss' is in the wrong in what she is doing.

OP has been honest with her new employers and thats the main thing as the old job is in the past now and she is allowed to move on with her life and get another job somewhere else regardless of if this 'boss' thinks she hasn't learnt her lesson.

Missme

Kayalana99 wrote: »

Either way the 'big boss' is in the wrong in what she is doing.

OP has been honest with her new employers and thats the main thing as the old job is in the past now and she is allowed to move on with her life and get another job somewhere else regardless of if this 'boss' thinks she hasn't learnt her lesson.

Not sure the big boss is in the wrong myself. The method may be defective but not the intent. Do we know if she spoke to random staff members, friends, HR, whatever?

Of course OP is allowed to move on but IMO the ex-employer is also allowed the oppourtunity to respond to a circum-vented reference request.

123helpme123

Got the info I needed - thanks

123helpme123

Got the info I needed - thanks

Missme

OP, I admire your determination, resilience and big brass b*lls.

You effed up, got (pre-empted getting) caught and believe they 'had it in for you/your post'. 'Anybody' may well have potentially made the 'mistake'...and??? They didn't, you did. Stop qualifying it and just accept it.

I sincerely wish you the best of luck for the future but this pious stance grates on me.

z1a

Any more user names to use?:)

zzzLazyDaisy

Slightly confusing that OP posts under '123helpme123' and 'coinxoperated'....

OP, in my view you are being unrealistic in the circumstances. You have a job offer, from an employer who was aware of the circumstances of your dismissal. The new employer is then contacted by your previous employer. Whether you like it or not, the new employer is going to follow that through, even if just to have the fact that they have done so on record. If you feel aggrieved about this, so be it, but as I say, in my view you are being unrealistic if you find this objectionable. Similarly, attempting to 'hold a gun' to the head of the new employer, and giving them deadlines and ultimatums - when they have not in fact withdrawn the offer - seems to me to be going the right way to get the offer withdrawn.

The simple fact is that there is really not much you can do about the telephone conversation. It happens, but proving what was said is another thing entirely. As far as the written reference is concerned, if the job offer is not withdrawn, it becomes a moot point. As far as obtaining a copy of the reference is concerned, this link gives you some information about the Data Protection Act and references: http://www.ico.org.uk/for_organisations/data_protection/topic_guides/~/media/documents/library/Data_Protection/Detailed_specialist_guides/subject_access_and_employment_references_v1.ashx

One final point to bear in mind....

Since the change in the law in April 2012, you now have to work for any new employer for two years (less one week) before you qualify for protection under the employment legislation. During that time, the new employer can dismiss you for any reason, even if you have not done anything wrong (the exception being if the reason for dismissal contravenes the anti discrimination legislation). In a strange way, this works in your favour because the new employer may be less likely to withdraw the job offer just on the say so of the old employer, since they have two years in which to assess you and decide if your work is up to their standards. On the other hand, if you start throwing your toys out of the pram at this stage, and issuing ultimatums, before they you have even started working for them - and while they are in fact being very reasonable by the sounds of it - they may just decide that it is not worth all the bother.

Just a thought.

Justicia

z1a wrote: »

Any more user names to use?:)

I think that was an "ooops!" moment.