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would anyone like to discuss the meaning of the following statement?
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Yes, they're in 1990 International Geary-Khamis dollars.
They come from an excel file at http://www.ggdc.net/ which is maintained by the Maddison Project, part of the Groningen Growth and Development Centre, University of Groningen, who are apparently interested in this sort of thing.
Wouldn't that be the point? Wealth made the welfare state possible. Wealth improved child care, midwifery, you name it.
It wasn't just wealth though.
You can have loads of gold but if you don't have people with inquisitive minds who aren't afraid to challenge the status quo then you don't get new inventions.I'm not cynical I'm realistic
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chewmylegoff wrote: »You can compare what the poorest 10% of people in the UK had relative to the poorest 10% in the world in 1700 (not much more) to what the poorest 10% in the UK have today relative to the poorest 10% in the world.
No-one in the uk today is living in a shanty town and picking over rubbish heaps to find enough rotten food to survive.
Not yet maybe, give it time I am sure they will come.
Aren't there people living in garages and sheds, at the bottom of gardens, in parts of London?"If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
"If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
grizzly1911 wrote: »Not yet maybe, give it time I am sure they will come.
Aren't there people living in garages and sheds, at the bottom of gardens, in parts of London?
There are but these are luxury garages and sheds with running water and toilets compared to the slums seen in other parts of the world.I'm not cynical I'm realistic
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grizzly1911 wrote: »Not yet maybe, give it time I am sure they will come.
Aren't there people living in garages and sheds, at the bottom of gardens, in parts of London?
a) it's still better than living in a Mumbai slum and b) the number of people living like that is probably less than 0.01% of the uk population0 -
chewmylegoff wrote: »a) it's still better than living in a Mumbai slum and b) the number of people living like that is probably less than 0.01% of the uk population
But India is on the 'up', and Europe is going 'down'...
TruckerTAccording to Clapton, I am a totally ignorant idiot.0 -
There's little point in getting into an argument whose response to any good point is, "I don't accept that".
In 1713, the vast majority wouldn't have access to meaningful healthcare, secondary education, adequate diet in a year of bad harvest or an income if work couldn't be found because of a bad economy.
The Press Gangs still operated in naval towns and debtors prison existed for those that fell on hard times and couldn't repay their debts.
If you think that anyone in the UK is recognisably poor now in the eyes of someone from 1713 then you are an idiot.0 -
There's little point in getting into an argument whose response to any good point is, "I don't accept that".
In 1713, the vast majority wouldn't have access to meaningful healthcare, secondary education, adequate diet in a year of bad harvest or an income if work couldn't be found because of a bad economy.
The Press Gangs still operated in naval towns and debtors prison existed for those that fell on hard times and couldn't repay their debts.
If you think that anyone in the UK is recognisably poor now in the eyes of someone from 1713 then you are an idiot.
Why would I look through the eyes of someone from 1713? Why not 1213? Or 13BC?
I look through the eyes of 2013.
TruckerTAccording to Clapton, I am a totally ignorant idiot.0
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