Approved annual leave now being requested to withdraw it...

ValHaller

agrinnall wrote: »

https://www.gov.uk/holiday-entitlement-rights/booking-timeoff

A useful link. But it should be read carefully. The problem is not so much with what it actually says as with what people think it says

• For Employee to book X working days of leave, 2X working days notice must be given
• For Employer to refuse a leave request for X working days of leave, at least X working days notice must be given

Note that on my reading of this, there is no process for the employer to cancel leave once granted. In particular, the rule for refusing a leave request, on my interpretation, actually means that if a leave request is put in and the employer neither approves nor refuses by X days before, then the request is deemed accepted. I do not see that the leave refusal clause is actually a process for cancellation of leave.

As ever, this can be changed by the employment contract.

PasturesNew

If it's just one day, it'd be tempting to agree to it, then phone in sick.

Takeaway_Addict

PasturesNew wrote: »

If it's just one day, it'd be tempting to agree to it, then phone in sick.

that would only do refusing does....put the employers back up and make life difficult.

paddedjohn

Takeaway_Addict wrote: »

Ah so looks like I was right with the twice the length of the leave.

Not quite, SarEl is actually wrong on that point in that post.

An employer can refuse leave by giving notice at least as long as the leave requested.

Going4TheDream

PasturesNew wrote: »

If it's just one day, it'd be tempting to agree to it, then phone in sick.

They did this last year. Holiday was declined for the same weeks holiday and the guy went sick for 3 weeks!

There is a site rule that says no hols during BH weeks and the manager signed off the Friday of the BH week and the following week not realising it was a BH week. The company has asked if the person will work the Friday, and said they can do half the hours and come in early etc and still allow them the following weeks and they have said NO

It is a small busy team of 3 doing a fairly intense job and Bank holiday weeks tend to be busy for them.

Needless to say the other two are pretty peed off about the situation as to them it seems like he has gotten what he wants again and to hell with everyone else, not a good thing when you work closely in a small team.

Takeaway_Addict

paddedjohn wrote: »

Not quite, SarEl is actually wrong on that point in that post.

An employer can refuse leave by giving notice at least as long as the leave requested.

I'm confused now lol

ValHaller

Going4TheDream wrote: »

They did this last year. Holiday was declined for the same weeks holiday and the guy went sick for 3 weeks!

There is a site rule that says no hols during BH weeks and the manager signed off the Friday of the BH week and the following week not realising it was a BH week. The company has asked if the person will work the Friday, and said they can do half the hours and come in early etc and still allow them the following weeks and they have said NO

It is a small busy team of 3 doing a fairly intense job and Bank holiday weeks tend to be busy for them.

Needless to say the other two are pretty peed off about the situation as to them it seems like he has gotten what he wants again and to hell with everyone else, not a good thing when you work closely in a small team.

While the guy has pulled a fast one and got away with it again, it would be foolish of the aggrieved colleagues to make the case to the employer that the leave could be cancelled. This will place a cudgel in the employer's hands which would leave everyone very uncertain about how secure their approved holidays would be thereafter.

Going4TheDream

ValHaller wrote: »

While the guy has pulled a fast one and got away with it again, it would be foolish of the aggrieved colleagues to make the case to the employer that the leave could be cancelled. This will place a cudgel in the employer's hands which would leave everyone very uncertain about how secure their approved holidays would be thereafter.

They didnt.

The manager realised the mistake and did the asking. TBH the manager comes across as a little inept IMO, I certainly wouldnt sign a holiday form for my team without being sure I could honour it, hence my unawareness of being able to withdraw it

ValHaller

Going4TheDream wrote: »

They didnt.

The manager realised the mistake and did the asking. TBH the manager comes across as a little inept IMO, I certainly wouldnt sign a holiday form for my team without being sure I could honour it, hence my unawareness of being able to withdraw it

Even the manager would be foolish to withdraw the approval - it would damage trust all round. The other employees would not feel confident about their own bookings.

A more satisfactory way of dealing with this employee would be to take their requests and only approve them X days before for the next holiday year .....

Takeaway_Addict

Going4TheDream wrote: »

They didnt.

The manager realised the mistake and did the asking. TBH the manager comes across as a little inept IMO, I certainly wouldnt sign a holiday form for my team without being sure I could honour it, hence my unawareness of being able to withdraw it

You cannot say that 100%, what happens if members of staff fall ill. For all you know the manager may have been trying to get cover sorted for the ill staff etc.