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Help - DVLA tax fine for car I sold
Hi,
My partner and I bought new cars at the same time from garages. We filled in the form telling the DVLA we not longer owned them. We sent them off in the same envelope. I got an acknowledgement from the DVLA saying I not longer own it. My partner however is being told they have a fine of £40 (if you pay soon) and £80 if not paid by a certain date.
My partner now has an acknowledgement letter that has just arrived after sending them another letter telling them the car was sold to a garage in December. We sold the cars before Christmas at least a week before the tax ran out and sent the form to DVLA straight away.
How can this be when they were together ?
What is the best course of action to avoid paying them anything ?
My partner and I bought new cars at the same time from garages. We filled in the form telling the DVLA we not longer owned them. We sent them off in the same envelope. I got an acknowledgement from the DVLA saying I not longer own it. My partner however is being told they have a fine of £40 (if you pay soon) and £80 if not paid by a certain date.
My partner now has an acknowledgement letter that has just arrived after sending them another letter telling them the car was sold to a garage in December. We sold the cars before Christmas at least a week before the tax ran out and sent the form to DVLA straight away.
How can this be when they were together ?
What is the best course of action to avoid paying them anything ?
"The time is always right to do what is right"
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Did you or your partner send the V5C document back to the DVLA with the dealers details or new keepers details?
Its down to you not the garage or buyer. So if they failed to send it off then its still your fault according to the DVLA.
The letter counts from the date you notified them it doesnt backdate. So the fine still applies.
How can it be when they were together, Best guess you wrongly gave the garage the V5C registration document. One car sold quickly or the dealer put their name to it but forgot about the other one?Censorship Reigns Supreme in Troll City...0 -
We put the dealers details on the form when we sent it in it was the it was the "Selling or transferring your vehicle to a motor trader V5C/3" he even signed it. I thought that was what we were support to do.forgotmyname wrote: »Did you or your partner send the V5C document back to the DVLA with the dealers details or new keepers details?
Its down to you not the garage or buyer. So if they failed to send it off then its still your fault according to the DVLA.
The letter counts from the date you notified them it doesnt backdate. So the fine still applies.
How can it be when they were together, Best guess you wrongly gave the garage the V5C registration document. One car sold quickly or the dealer put their name to it but forgot about the other one?"The time is always right to do what is right"0 -
forgotmyname wrote: »Did you or your partner send the V5C document back to the DVLA with the dealers details or new keepers details?
They did, apparently.forgotmyname wrote: »Its down to you not the garage or buyer. So if they failed to send it off then its still your fault according to the DVLA.
They did send them off, together
forgotmyname wrote: »The letter counts from the date you notified them it doesnt backdate. So the fine still applies.
No it doesn't. The OPs partner followed the DVLAs own request to "contact them if no acknowlegement letter is received" & got his confirmation.forgotmyname wrote: »How can it be when they were together, Best guess you wrongly gave the garage the V5C registration document. One car sold quickly or the dealer put their name to it but forgot about the other one?
Sorry but the best guess is that the DVLA have done their usual magic trick & made one V5 "disappear", they're very good at it.
OP is the demand from Capita or Inter Credit Int?Always try to be at least half the person your dog thinks you are!0 -
They did, apparently.
They did send them off, together
No it doesn't. The OPs partner followed the DVLAs own request to "contact them if no acknowlegement letter is received" & got his confirmation.
Sorry but the best guess is that the DVLA have done their usual magic trick & made one V5 "disappear", they're very good at it.
OP is the demand from Capita or Inter Credit Int?
I am not sure what you as asking here "Capita to Inter Credit Int' ?
The letter comes from the DVLA - Enforcement Centre
We apparently have until the 27 April to pay up"The time is always right to do what is right"0 -
I am not sure what you as asking here "Capita to Inter Credit Int' ?
The letter comes from the DVLA - Enforcement Centre
We apparently have until the 27 April to pay up
Ok, write back explaining that both V5s, correctly filled in, were posted in the same envelope, that 1 was confirmed & that your partner followed the DVLAs own request to contact them when the 2nd confirmation wasn't received & that you deny any debt as you have followed the correct procedure as stated in law.
ETA: Capita or Inter Credit are the collection co's usually sending these requests.Always try to be at least half the person your dog thinks you are!0 -
DVLA have "lost" a lot of paperwork over the last few years.
They have even denied losing paperwork and fined somebody for failing to notify of change of ownership when it was sent by recorded delivery.
The does sound like more "lost" paperwork.
I have been taking my V5 to the nearest DVLA local office since they sent me a fine for not notifying when I had.
They are now closing lots of the local offices so now they can send out more fines.
I fought and the fine increased to over £400, including a victim surcharge, I would have had to appeal and get in front of a proper Judge to use the Case Law that applies and the Communications Act regarding using the postal service. From how I understand it if you send it with a stamp you consider that to be served, though my exact legal terminology may be different, but that is how I understood it.
Personally I think it is a cynical ploy to make up for budget cuts!
It might just be cheaper in the long run to pay the initial fine.
Two other people in my workplace sold cars within five months of me and they both also got a fine for failing to inform of a new keeper.
Coincidence?
I don't think so, such things used to be so exceedingly rare.
And if it did happen you for an apology and they sorted it out. Though they did change responsibility to inform to the selling keeper.
Another draconian policy brought out by under New Labour.0 -
forgotmyname wrote: »Did you or your partner send the V5C document back to the DVLA with the dealers details or new keepers details?
Its down to you not the garage or buyer. So if they failed to send it off then its still your fault according to the DVLA.
The letter counts from the date you notified them it doesnt backdate. So the fine still applies.
How can it be when they were together, Best guess you wrongly gave the garage the V5C registration document. One car sold quickly or the dealer put their name to it but forgot about the other one?
If selling to a dealer you do give the V5c to the dealer, its section 3 of the V5c that you have to return to the DVLA;)Be Alert..........Britain needs lerts.0 -
DVLA have "lost" a lot of paperwork over the last few years.
They have even denied losing paperwork and fined somebody for failing to notify of change of ownership when it was sent by recorded delivery.
The does sound like more "lost" paperwork.
I have been taking my V5 to the nearest DVLA local office since they sent me a fine for not notifying when I had.
They are now closing lots of the local offices so now they can send out more fines.
I fought and the fine increased to over £400, including a victim surcharge, I would have had to appeal and get in front of a proper Judge to use the Case Law that applies and the Communications Act regarding using the postal service. From how I understand it if you send it with a stamp you consider that to be served, though my exact legal terminology may be different, but that is how I understood it.
Personally I think it is a cynical ploy to make up for budget cuts!
It might just be cheaper in the long run to pay the initial fine.
Two other people in my workplace sold cars within five months of me and they both also got a fine for failing to inform of a new keeper.
Coincidence?
I don't think so, such things used to be so exceedingly rare.
And if it did happen you for an apology and they sorted it out. Though they did change responsibility to inform to the selling keeper.
Another draconian policy brought out by under New Labour.
Yes they seem to be taking the mickey....since both where in the same envelope how could theY have got one but not the other !
Seems like it might just be best to pay up maybe put in a complaint and forget about it ."The time is always right to do what is right"0 -
If you tell them both documents were in the same envelope then i wouldnt pay.
Did you get any notification of them receiving either document though? The paperwork for the 2nd one maybe on its way also.
Oh yes they do lose paperwork. And they lose in court also.
Im still trying to make sense of my last paragrah i wrote..
Censorship Reigns Supreme in Troll City...0 -
Yes they seem to be taking the mickey....since both where in the same envelope how could theY have got one but not the other !
Seems like it might just be best to pay up maybe put in a complaint and forget about it .
:eek: Pay up when you've done nothing wrong?????? Are you serious?? Writing to them takes 10 minutes + the cost of a stamp yet you want to throw away £40......
Can you send me £40 on the basis I replied to your post? It's as legit as the DVLA demand!Always try to be at least half the person your dog thinks you are!0
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