Absent parent has given CSA false payslips

leftholdingthebaby

My husband abandonded me and our 3 young children almost 5 weeks ago.

He has had minimal contact and has outright refused to pay a single penny towards supporting his kids. He's even threatened to leave his very well paid job and move to another country.

He never turned up to see his children at McDonalds a couple of weeks ago which left them upset and confused.

It has come to my attention that the CSA have challenged him about his salary as it significantly appears to be much lower than what he is earning - he works for an employer.

I understand the CSA have written to his employer for confirmation. I am guessing my husband has sent fake salary slips.

They have mentioned taking money directly from his employer.

What are the consequences if he has lied to the CSA?

justontime

You must having a hard time coming to terms with what has happened, but you don't know that he has lied and if he only left five weeks ago it is very early days in terms of CSA. I assume CSA will obtain information from his employer to confirm that his payslips are correct and if his income has dropped he may have to explain why. CSA will assess on the info available to them and if he doesn't make payments they will impose a deduction of earnings order. Once an assessment is made you can appeal if you think it is incorrect.

As far as seeing the children is concerned emotions will still be raw at this stage. It will be hard, but please try to hide your feelings about him from the children and do what you can to enable meaningful contact (not just a meeting in Mc Donalds) to take place. It will be much better for your children if you can do this.

DUTR

justontime wrote: »

You must having a hard time coming to terms with what has happened, but you don't know that he has lied and if he only left five weeks ago it is very early days in terms of CSA. I assume CSA will obtain information from his employer to confirm that his payslips are correct and if his income has dropped he may have to explain why. CSA will assess on the info available to them and if he doesn't make payments they will impose a deduction of earnings order. Once an assessment is made you can appeal if you think it is incorrect.

As far as seeing the children is concerned emotions will still be raw at this stage. It will be hard, but please try to hide your feelings about him from the children and do what you can to enable meaningful contact (not just a meeting in Mc Donalds) to take place. It will be much better for your children if you can do this.

These were my thoughts too, just 5 weeks and a smooth case would not quite be up and running.

leftholdingthebaby

Thanks for your replies. I never disrespect their father to the children as this would have a detrimental affect on them. Only time will tell how things will pan out. My husband has ran off at least 15-20 times during our 8 year marriage and for the sake of our children enough is enough.

The last time he left in the middle of the night taking all our money and my gold, we have had to rely on food parcels as Income Support lost my claim. Thankfully I have just received the award.

He has told me he will never pay the CSA a penny towards our children and that he will make out invoices to say he has priority bills to pay even though he has a really well paid job.

I didnt want any of this to happen, it was a shock (although I should be used to it by now) to find he had packed up expensive electrical items, gold and money in the middle of the night and fled.

This time I know the marriage is over but I do want him to have a relationship with his children no matter what my personal thoughts about him are. The children have to come first and they are not just my children they are his as well. I just dont want him promising he will meet them then not turn up. I am considering going to I think its called arbitration or something like that so that hopefully we can work out a plan for the sake of the children.

At the moment he is refusing to say where he is living or if he has suitable accommodation for the children ages 7, 6 and 5 months. Also there is a possibility he may abduct the kids as he is from a non EU country, but I have the passports and birth certificates, although one of the children has dual nationality.

I will keep you updated on the CSA situation - thanks for your help.

easilydistracted

Doesn't answer your actual question at all, but please be aware that some very persuasive parents have been able to get temporary emergency passports with the help of their countries embassies and used these to remove children from the country. I would suggest seeing a solictor asap

kevin137

easilydistracted wrote: »

Doesn't answer your actual question at all, but please be aware that some very persuasive parents have been able to get temporary emergency passports with the help of their countries embassies and used these to remove children from the country. I would suggest seeing a solictor asap

You need to make an application at family court for custody to be sure, with a restriction on him removing the children from the country without the courts agreement, you can do this ex-parte, as in without him present, with an adjournment for a full hearing normally a week or 2 later, for which he would be notified.

If you have no address for him, then you give no address known care of his employer. So he can be served with the injunction removing the children at his place of work. It may not go down well with him, but process servers are generally very good at this and do not normally disclose information to them about what it is, just that it is a legal matter...

I would say do this ASAP and let the CSA just do there thing... It may take more time but if he has given false information he could well end up with criminal charges as well, especially if he has forged documentation to do this.

I don't understand what you mean by priority bills, they can only take certain bills for loans etc in to account, and normally only if it was for the benefit of "the family" and you have been left holding the goods.. Otherwise there is not a lot he can do...

Just out of interest what country are we talking about, as knowing where he is from could get you more accurate advice on how to best deal with it...

justontime

That is good advice from Kevin. It sounds as if you have a lot to deal with but ensuring that your children are safe and that they can not be removed from the country is very important.

Give CSA a couple more weeks to proceed with your case, then give them a ring if you haven't heard anything. If your husband is employed they should be able to get an accurate picture of his income and make an assessment. If he doesn't pay they can impose a deduction of earnings order, so that the money is deducted from his pay by his employer.

Stay strong, you will get through this.

leftholdingthebaby

Thanks for all your advice re abduction. The police are already aware of his previous threats and if I need to call the police they will make an immediate response. The Detective who dealt with it before said all she needs to do is make the ports aware and this can be done immediately, they have been very helpful. This is why I cannot let them out of my sight and the arrangement at McDonalds which he failed to attend was hopefully going to be a way forward.

My meaning of priority bills is my husband said he is going to make out a load of bull up to hike up his living expenses.

I am too scared to say what country he is from as I feel I've said too much and if he's searching CSA sites he might see my thread.

Our 2 elder kids are in shock and it makes me so upset that parents with care use their kids as bargaining tools. I only wish my kids could have a nice relationship with their daddy, sadly their daddy is very unpredictable. My daughter who is 6 is very emotional at the moment, but school have been very supportive.

Thanks to you all.

clearingout

have a look at reunite.org for advice on possible abduction abroad - they know what they're talking about. I would be nervous about what the police have said to you - I am pretty sure for an 'all ports warning' you will need more than the police's say so. I might be wrong but please do cover all your bases as this really is a better safe than sorry situation for you.

kevin137

I think the same, if he is a parent and there is no order in place, then legally he is doing nothing wrong, and has the legal right to do what he pleases with them...

GET SOME ADVICE...!!!

As for his "priority bills", well he can pretty much make up what he likes, it makes NO difference, he will be paying 25% of his net income regardless of bills...! So let him do that, he is only making things harder for himself believing that he can do this... 10-12 years ago on CSA1 he may of made a difference, not now though...

RAS

If your husband has parental rights, you must take proper legal action. Otherwise by law he is allowed to take the children out of the country if he so wishes and there is nothing you or the ports can do to stop this.

You need custody and a prohibited steps order as a matter or urgency.

Expect him to take work overseas and then refuse to pay towards the children. When this happens you may be able to act via REMO to get maintenane if the country is included in REMO.