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What Did Thatcher Ever Do For Us?
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Of course Thatcher had a strong believe that people wanted to own their own property; and she was proved correct.
She believed that home owners would treat their own property and the neighbourhood with more respect and care that renters. They would fix things that went wrong both in their own property and in the general area rather than waiting for the state.
They would become responsible citzens.
She thought that people with a real stake would be better, more concerned citizens.
She did however, squander the money from the house sales, nationalised industry sales and North Sea oil/gas.
Rather than building up a sovereign wealth fund or invest in infrastructure it all went on paying unemployment benefits and keeping tax rates down.
Whether she was right or wrong is a matter of debate.
Basically do most people want to live in a location with lots of owner occupiers or do most people aspire to live in social housing?0 -
Basically do most people want to live in a location with lots of owner occupiers or do most people aspire to live in social housing?
Most might aspire doesn't mean they can.
Originally council housing wasn't all about sink estates.People weer "vetted" before they were allowed to occupy the properties.
It is a question of balance. There will always be a need for some."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
grizzly1911 wrote: »Most might aspire doesn't mean they can.
Originally council housing wasn't all about sink estates.People weer "vetted" before they were allowed to occupy the properties.
It is a question of balance. There will always be a need for some.
I'm unsure of your point.
Because some will fail are you saying none must aspire?
There is a self evident need for rental accommodation for a variety of people and circumstances. That however doesn't mean that most people will aspire to and actually become owner occupiers.
Do you live in social housing, private rental or owner occupier?0 -
I'm unsure of your point.
Because some will fail are you saying none must aspire?
There is a self evident need for rental accommodation for a variety of people and circumstances. That however doesn't mean that most people will aspire to and actually become owner occupiers.
Do you live in social housing, private rental or owner occupier?
Where I live is irrelevant.
People are welcome to aspire and if they have the where with all, they will attain it to some degree.
That however doesn't mean that most people will aspire to and actually become owner occupiers.
So are you saying people shouldn't aspire?"If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
grizzly1911 wrote: »Where I live is irrelevant.
People are welcome to aspire and if they have the where with all that will attain it to some degree.
That however doesn't mean that most people will aspire to and actually become owner occupiers.
So are you saying people shouldn't aspire?
How you match your words to your actions is relevant; it's the difference between hypocrisy and conviction.
Readers can draw their own conclusions.0 -
How you match your words to your actions is relevant; it's the difference between hypocrisy and conviction.
Readers can draw their own conclusions.
I haven't got a clue what you are on about."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
Basically do most people want to live in a location with lots of owner occupiers or do most people aspire to live in social housing?
Since we all woke up from the thatcherite dream in 2007/8, owner-occupation has become no longer available as a first-choice for large numbers of people. I would guess that most people who are now denied access to the property ladder would prefer to live in social housing rather than private rentals.
I would be interested in people's responses to my earlier suggestion that the latest help-to-buy schemes are in danger of creating yet more distortion (and inflation) in the property market, and that a better way forward would be to start a programme of social house-building in order to replace the social housing stock which was sold off at ridiculously low prices during the 80s and 90s. Such a scheme would create jobs and homes, and would provide genuine choices for people. It might also get the government off the austerity hook which it has created for itself.
TruckerTAccording to Clapton, I am a totally ignorant idiot.0 -
I would be interested in people's responses to my earlier suggestion that the latest help-to-buy schemes are in danger of creating yet more distortion (and inflation) in the property market, and that a better way forward would be to start a programme of social house-building in order to replace the social housing stock which was sold off at ridiculously low prices during the 80s and 90s. Such a scheme would create jobs and homes, and would provide genuine choices for people. It might also get the government off the austerity hook which it has created for itself.
TruckerT
I tend to agree that the further schemes will create more problems than they solve and they are insufficient, on their own they will fall well short of need.
"Private" house building never took up the slack once council house building stopped. There will always be a need for social provision of housing whatever aspirations people may have.
People are constantly telling us on here that it is better to buy than rent, if you can, but renting is essentially what the government do, providing HB to pay rents to LLs, rather than build a stock of their own."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
Home-owners simply rent the money in the form of a mortgage and then pretend to own the house until the rented money is repaid with massive interest.;)grizzly1911 wrote: »I tend to agree that the further schemes will create more problems than they solve and they are insufficient, on their own they will fall well short of need.
"Private" house building never took up the slack once council house building stopped. There will always be a need for social provision of housing whatever aspirations people may have.
People are constantly telling us on here that it is better to buy than rent, if you can, but renting is essentially what the government do, providing HB to pay rents to LLs, rather than build a stock of their own.There is no honour to be had in not knowing a thing that can be known - Danny Baker0
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