Should Millionaire Mick lead to the abolition of Tax Credits?

N1AK

dori2o wrote: »

Simply abolishing tax credits/UC will do nothing but plunge the majority of the country into debt/despair and take us back 100+ years to the days of the slums, the poor houses and the work houses.

You made some good points in your post but this is absolute nonsense and diminishes the rest of what you said. If you need to resort to this kind of hyperbolic to make your case then it isn't a strong case; if you don't (and you didn't) but resort to it anyway it stops your case being taken seriously.

You, and others, are correct to highlight that simply increasing the tax free allowance alone won't make up for removing all other benefits like tax credits. Something I hope others realise.

The_White_Horse

wouldn't it just be better to put down people like Mick Philpot and harvest their organs for needy children? He adds NOTHING to society. why should society pay for him.

and most importantly, if he stabbed his first wife 27 times, why was he not in prison anyway???

stinktankcynic

If you don't receive tax credits, then they really can seem unfair. Single people without children who have decent jobs and work long hours can often be worse off than families with children who don't have a worth ethic or take low paid, low hour jobs to have the government top it up. If people want a family, you should have the resources to afford one. Why should the taxpayer pick up the bill for other people to have children?

Also, if someone is getting paid by the state they should do something for it, not sit at home. Also, cars, holidays, sat TV, luxury items should not be purchased out of benefits.

I know losing your job and getting JSA is rubbish, but getting hundreds a week in benefits for sitting at home not looking for a job is taking the Michael.

grizzly1911

dori2o wrote: »

Simply abolishing tax credits/UC will do nothing but plunge the majority of the country into debt/despair and take us back 100+ years to the days of the slums, the poor houses and the work houses.

Is that what a civilised society really wants?

Perhaps not to that extent but it can't go on in it's current trajectory. The global crisis just brought things to a head this decline has been going on for decades. The politicians are simply running out of rabbits and those they can find are getting smaller.

Expectations are going to need to be lowered for the majority in this country not just those who receive benefits.

There is not enough going into the pot in the first place. The UK is a leaky bucket it isn't being filled quickly enough. Making bigger holes in that bucket isn't going to help.

neverdespairgirl

Murphy_Gooner wrote: »

Regardless of the amount of benefits they got. I don't think its right the government are using this tragedy as a means of attacking the welfare system. Its a cheap and desperate move.

I don't think the govt is doing that. GO responded to a very specific question about it, which is rather different.

BACKFRMTHEEDGE

StevieJ wrote: »

Also may apply pressure on employers to pay a living wage,then again we may just go back to the days when Britain was great and most of its citizens could barely afford to exist

That's the elephant in the room isn't it? How many jobs will be lost if the government gets rids of working tax credits and companies have to pay a living wage? This is a subsidy to companies in the end - they get cheap labour - not to families.

'tis all smoke and mirrors.

CLAPTON

BACKFRMTHEEDGE wrote: »

That's the elephant in the room isn't it? How many jobs will be lost if the government gets rids of working tax credits and companies have to pay a living wage? This is a subsidy to companies in the end - they get cheap labour - not to families.

'tis all smoke and mirrors.

whatever happened before working tax credits were introduced ... were wages higher than now?

BACKFRMTHEEDGE

coastline wrote: »

Tax relief on pension schemes amounts to £20bn a year and higher rate tax payers receive £12bn...this would go a fair way to reducing the budget deficit.
Why do people with money need hand outs...there'll be other areas where tax relief should come into question..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/pensions/9658795/Top-earners-are-pocketing-pensions-tax-relief-worth-25000-a-year.html

Tax relief on pensions is a tricky one. Much of that income will get taxed on its way out of the pension pot - so the tax isn't really lost - it's just deferred (most of it)...

grizzly1911

CLAPTON wrote: »

whatever happened before working tax credits were introduced ... were wages higher than now?

Cost of living lower?

Housing costs lower?

Less part time, NMW roles, more full time living wage positions?

BACKFRMTHEEDGE

stinktankcynic wrote: »

If you don't receive tax credits, then they really can seem unfair. Single people without children who have decent jobs and work long hours can often be worse off than families with children who don't have a worth ethic or take low paid, low hour jobs to have the government top it up. If people want a family, you should have the resources to afford one. Why should the taxpayer pick up the bill for other people to have children?

Because we don't want children living in poverty?