Young couple build beautiful cottage to escape rent slavery and live quietly

N1AK

Graham_Devon wrote: »

what benefit will knocking it down bring.

That people will follow the planning permission rules in future and it won't lead to hundreds, or thousands, of other people seeing that only asking after you've built (in blatant contravention of the rules) is a way to bypass them completely.

Derivative

It's not a 'free for all'.

You have to own land to build on it.

If you own the land, you should own the land. Noise, air, and waterway pollution should obviously be policed, but eyesores? Ridiculous.

Why should the Government have any say in what you can or cannot do with your own land, or which bits of land should be 'protected'?

If they want National Parks to be pure and undisturbed, they can buy them up.

ash28

Derivative wrote: »

It's not a 'free for all'.

You have to own land to build on it.

If you own the land, you should own the land. Noise, air, and waterway pollution should obviously be policed, but eyesores? Ridiculous.

Why should the Government have any say in what you can or cannot do with your own land, or which bits of land should be 'protected'?

If they want National Parks to be pure and undisturbed, they can buy them up.

I would like to buy up a few acres of agricultural land behind our house it would be ideal to build the kids a house on. I don't really want to pay the price of residential land.....the cheaper the better.

If I buy the field and divide it up amongst our 3 children and give them say 5 acres each they could build a decent house each and then when their children need a house they could give them some of their land - we have 6 grandchildren already and at least one more is on the way - but we could end up with say 9 - so our children divvy up their 5 acres and give their kids an acre and a bit each and then those 9 grandchildren divvy up their acre and bit and give their 20 children a bit each....our near neighbours have 4 children and they do the same and our other near neighbours have 3 children and do the same and millions of other people have exactly the same idea with the same outcomes....over time lots of lost farming land and lots of tiny plots with houses......bring it on.

I live in large growing area and see the crops that are grown here - mainly potatoes, root and green vegetables. Our food insecurity would grow as we had to rely on ever more imports of fresh vegetables and meat as pastureland would disappear too.

Without some sort of controls that is the sort of scenario we could be looking at a couple of generations down the line.

Couldn't happen? It's already happening in parts of Africa.

Graham_Devon

ash28 wrote: »

I would like to buy up a few acres of agricultural land behind our house it would be ideal to build the kids a house on. I don't really want to pay the price of residential land.....the cheaper the better.

If I buy the field and divide it up amongst our 3 children and give them say 5 acres each they could build a decent house each and then when their children need a house they could give them some of their land - we have 6 grandchildren already and at least one more is on the way - but we could end up with say 9 - so our children divvy up their 5 acres and give their kids an acre and a bit each and then those 9 grandchildren divvy up their acre and bit and give their 20 children a bit each....our near neighbours have 4 children and they do the same and our other near neighbours have 3 children and do the same and millions of other people have exactly the same idea with the same outcomes....over time lots of lost farming land and lots of tiny plots with houses......bring it on.

I live in large growing area and see the crops that are grown here - mainly potatoes, root and green vegetables. Our food insecurity would grow as we had to rely on ever more imports of fresh vegetables and meat as pastureland would disappear too.

Without some sort of controls that is the sort of scenario we could be looking at a couple of generations down the line.

Couldn't happen? It's already happening in parts of Africa.

But why would the farmer sell you the land if he's making money growing crops on it?

Again, I'm not suggesting we should all just be able to build what we want where we want, there needs to be controls, but pretending we'd all just buy land off people and they would simply sell it regardless at the drop of a hat is going too far the other way.

CLAPTON

Graham_Devon wrote: »

But why would the farmer sell you the land if he's making money growing crops on it?

Again, I'm not suggesting we should all just be able to build what we want where we want, there needs to be controls, but pretending we'd all just buy land off people and they would simply sell it regardless at the drop of a hat is going too far the other way.

look up the cost of agricultural land near you and report back

Graham_Devon

CLAPTON wrote: »

look up the cost of agricultural land near you and report back

Can't be bothered...but...

If it's expensive, why would people buy it?

If it's cheap, why would the farmer sell it and forgo the years of income it could provide?

Theres another issue here that's being ignored too....these places aren't "on grid". They are essentially just shells with no services attached, so again, it doesn't seem a particularly inviting lifestyle to most.

CLAPTON

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Can't be bothered...but...

If it's expensive, why would people buy it?

If it's cheap, why would the farmer sell it and forgo the years of income it could provide?

Theres another issue here that's being ignored too....these places aren't "on grid". They are essentially just shells with no services attached, so again, it doesn't seem a particularly inviting lifestyle to most.

agricultural land 10k per acre

land with planning permission maybe £1million per acre

all dependant upon where you are

plenty of willing buyers at say 250,000 per acre
plenty of willing sellers at that price too

John_Pierpoint

244,820 Sq Km - the total land area of the UK
63,000,000 the population
3,886 sq meters per inhabitant.
10,000 sq meters is a hectare about 2 football pitches.
so that is 1/3 rd of a hectare each.
In reality half the land surface is technically unsuitable for building bungalows. So about 10% would disappear in the roads required to access these individual homes.
Then someone has to pay for the utilities electricity, gas, water, land line,
increased need for cars and the fuel to make journeys to obtain access to shops, schooling, medical care.
One of the most expensive requirements is drainage, in particular bodily wastes.
Ah the sweet memorable smell of sewage in the sunshine.
It works for one house, I am proud to occupy something on its own, up a muddy track. It would have started life as a timber frame bungalow clad in asbestos. No qualified builder has raised brick on brick.
The lifestyle is impossible for the majority of the 63,000,000
The nation has tried the DIY model for the first half of the 20th century:
A book "Arcadia for All" documents the outcome.
Amazon.com Product Description (ISBN 0907123597, Paperback)

From Canvey Island to Jaywick Sands, from Peacehaven to Pitsea; in the first 40 years of last century, thousands of English families made their own place in the sun, without benefit of councils, planners, architects, building societies, or even builders. Were they, as many planners and environmentalists suggested, making rural slums and seaside eyesores, or were they providing a unique example of unaided self-build housing, with lessons for us all today? Here Dennis Hardy and Colin Ward uncover the history of the 'plotlands' of South-East England, telling the fascinating detail of the places people built for themselves on the coast and in the country, and of what happened to them since, drawing parallels with similar developments in other parts of the world.

In reality this is what you get here now:


At the start of WW2, the depressin had created "dog & stick" farmers, who were only too happy to set aside enough plotland for a population three times the then size.
The dream:

The reality then:

John_Pierpoint

South American cities are ringed by DIY settlements, occupied by peasants force off their land by gangsters and drawn to the city where some sort of employment can be found:

IveSeenTheLight

Graham_Devon wrote: »

So while I understand that we should all abide by the rules, I don't really understand the rules and why they would stop this or have it knocked down? If they had abided by the rules, they simply wouldn't have been allowed to do it and I don't really understand why.

I've just been through the planning stage so understand a little more some of the considerations the planners make.

One of those considerations is not only for the current owners, but for future owners.

The planners have not been able to see the plans, constuction materials, architechs designs etc in on order to ensure that the property is suitable for living not only for now, but for potential owners in the future.

The property would also need to be recorded by Title of Deed with the Land Registry.

I have no issues at all with anyone looking to build the house of their own design but can understand that this needs to conform to a set of regulations to cover not only those who will reside in the property once completed but to ensure suitability for any future potential owners.

I don;t have anyne with a disability in my family, however my plans have to incorporate ramp access and availability for a shower room downstairs so that the property is suitable for future owners who may have a disability.

The regulations are their to ensure that there is no discrimination for potential buyers.