Parking on zigzag lines

Josephine13

I have received a penalty charge for allegedly dropping someone off on a zigzag line. However, my front tyres stopped short of the start of the zigzag. Is there any case law which says which part of a vehicle needs to be over the zigzag? I thought it was measured from the tyres - it's certainly what I check when I am parking in a normal parking space.

The_Slithy_Tove

Is this white zig-zags on a pedestrian crossing, rather than yellow ones outside schools? And is it a council-issued PCN?

Best go here: http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showforum=30 and post the details. They'll need to see the actual notice (with your personal detailed removed).

From what you say, if you were only inches over the zig-zags, there may be a de minimis defence.

maninthestreet

Josephine13 wrote: »

I have received a penalty charge for allegedly dropping someone off on a zigzag line. However, my front tyres stopped short of the start of the zigzag. Is there any case law which says which part of a vehicle needs to be over the zigzag? I thought it was measured from the tyres - it's certainly what I check when I am parking in a normal parking space.

The front of your car starts at the front of your car, not at the front tyres!

Stroma

maninthestreet wrote: »

The front of your car starts at the front of your car, not at the front tyres!

Wow that's really helpful, very inspiring!

Anyway OP please follow the advice of posting on pepipoo as they offer advice without the moral judgemental minority who resides on here sometimes

TrickyWicky

maninthestreet wrote: »

The front of your car starts at the front of your car, not at the front tyres!

No it doesn't. As a former CEO I'm telling that overhang does qualify as being ticketable. You need to get your facts right - next thing we know you'll be telling us that double yellow lines won't get you a ticket unless your wheels are actually on the lines (and no that isn't the case - they simply indicate that no waiting applies to the boundary of the street which includes the pavement).

EDIT:
Thats supposed to read "does NOT qualify as being ticketable".

Sorry for any confusion, been a rough day.

nigelbb

As it is only a matter of inches it would be worthwhile looking at the actual traffic order & getting out a tape measure to ensure that the zigzag lines are in the correct place.

cajef

TrickyWicky wrote: »

No it doesn't. As a former CEO I'm telling that overhang does qualify as being ticketable.

Which unless I am missing something that appears to be what maninthestreet is saying, so why accuse them of getting their facts wrong.

cajef

Stroma wrote: »

Wow that's really helpful,

Could be seeing as the OP thinks the front of the car starts at the tyres.:D

maninthestreet

TrickyWicky wrote: »

No it doesn't. As a former CEO I'm telling that overhang does qualify as being ticketable. You need to get your facts right - next thing we know you'll be telling us that double yellow lines won't get you a ticket unless your wheels are actually on the lines (and no that isn't the case - they simply indicate that no waiting applies to the boundary of the street which includes the pavement).

I suggest you re-read what I wrote.

peachyprice

TrickyWicky wrote: »

No it doesn't. As a former CEO I'm telling that overhang does qualify as being ticketable. You need to get your facts right - next thing we know you'll be telling us that double yellow lines won't get you a ticket unless your wheels are actually on the lines (and no that isn't the case - they simply indicate that no waiting applies to the boundary of the street which includes the pavement).

Enlighten us then Mr former CEO, if your car starting at the front of your car isn't the same as your car starting at the overhang, what on earth is is?

spacey2012

The advice about the TRO is very good advice indeed, they have to be renewed periodically and rarely are.
If the CEO were a bit more helpful he might have told you that they dont actually enforce Yellow lines, they Enforce a Traffic regulation orders which convert Yellow lines in to enforceable areas.
Without a relevant Traffic regulation Order, the lines are Invalid, the Highway code may say otherwise, but it is just a code.
I would start by asking the Council to make available the order they enforcing.
Sooner or later they hit the wrong one.