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Secret Steal Of Our NI Contributions
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Indeed, but whatever the reasons for it, fact remains that on average public sector pay is higher and hours are lower than in the private. So someone in the public sector is a lot more likely to be able to afford a 1.4% increase in NI than someone in the private sector a 4.8% increase!
Overall, the proposed changes as a result of the single tier state pension are (relatively) hugely beneficial for public sector workers compared to private. I think in 30 years time there's going to be quite a divide amongst pensioners, with public sector pensioners far better off than private sector pensioners. Now it's probably about even, since private sector pay used to be higher and private sector pensions used to often be as good as public sector pensions.
Yes since public sector pay is lower than private sector paying more for a lower pension is great :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:Needing to lose weight start date 26 December 2011 current loss 60 pound Down. Lots more to go to get into my size 6 jeans0 -
Public sector pay is higher. Public sector pensions are higher. What are you :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:about?Yes since public sector pay is lower than private sector paying more for a lower pension is great :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:0 -
Public sector pay is higher. Public sector pensions are higher. What are you :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:about?
Can you provide the proof for your claim that they are paid more for equivalent jobs and roles or that the private sector works longer hours?"If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
Where have I claimed they are paid more "for equivalent jobs"? I simply claimed they are paid more on average.grizzly1911 wrote: »Can you provide the proof for your claim that they are paid more for equivalent jobs and roles
See http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2012/mar/27/public-private-sector-payor that the private sector works longer hours?0 -
It doesn't matter, in the context of what we're discussing in this thread. This isn't a discussion about whether the public sector deserves to be paid more or not, it's a discussion about the state pension changes and the affordability of a 1.4% NI hike, compared to 4.8% in the private sector.
In the same way as you could argue that a 1.4% pay cut to a JP Morgan employee was more affordable than a 4.8% pay cut to a McDonalds employee. Whether the JP Morgan employee deserves higher pay is completely irrelavent to the affordability of the pay cut.
I agree its irrelevant to the thread topic but it was you who mentioned the spurious fact of relative averages!Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
More selective statistics! The number of hours worked is irrelevant it simply reflects the different proportion of part time workers in the two sectors.Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
Yes. Because that's relevant to the affordability of the NI increase.
Why is the relative average got anything to do with affordability of the increase in NI?
The point you are making is that more NI will need to be paid to protect pensions in the private sector.
1.4% is always going to be more affordable than 4.8% regardless of pay.
Average pay in the private sector will be lower because the mix of jobs is totally different.
The article you posted makes that quite clear."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
Really beginning to wonder if ANY of these policies is ever going to happen... the way the polls are going Cons wont even be here after 2015 anyway so Goves plans, workfare SureStart all just hovering... like banks, we re now into that pre election anticipatory phase of 'waiting to see what happens' - same with Spare Home Subsidy - dont think any providrs private or otherwise will make any concrete plans!!0
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So someone in the public sector is a lot more likely to be able to afford a 1.4% increase in NI than someone in the private sector a 4.8% increase!
Most of the public sector are facing increasing pension contributions. April 2013 sees year 2 of 3 years of rises. At a time when basic pay is frozen ((now until March 2016). So there is a slow squeeze on public sector pay.
There's more happening as well. Hence why the PCS union held a strike on Budget Day.0
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