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Cyprus surprise - Cypriot depositors to take a 'haircut'

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  • vivatifosi
    vivatifosi Posts: 18,746 Forumite
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    I just noticed that re Wookster too. Quite surprised.
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  • Thrugelmir
    Thrugelmir Posts: 89,546 Forumite
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    An orderly default will allow everyone to know where they are,

    Tell me GD what is an orderly default?

    The run on Northern Rock shows panicky ordinary people become very quickly. As its all about confidence. With no confidence in the system then anything can happen. Not good for anybody.
  • Graham_Devon
    Graham_Devon Posts: 58,560 Forumite
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    Thrugelmir wrote: »
    Tell me GD what is an orderly default?

    The run on Northern Rock shows panicky ordinary people become very quickly. As its all about confidence. With no confidence in the system then anything can happen. Not good for anybody.

    The people are already panicky. I don't think anything is now going to change that.

    An orderly default would be just that. A default which is as orderly as practically possible. Obviously there is no such thing as a clean default, but theres a difference between a planned default and an our of the blue default.

    I don't pretend to know the in's and out's, all I do know is what I see. And if I see things like were planned for cyprus with the levy, I know it's wrong, simply through feeling. If I see can kicking time after time, never fixing the problem....I know a bit more can kicking isn't going to fix the problem.

    Sometimes the problem simply cannot be fixed.
  • wotsthat
    wotsthat Posts: 11,325 Forumite
    edited 19 March 2013 at 11:29PM
    An orderly default would be just that. A default which is as orderly as practically possible. Obviously there is no such thing as a clean default, but theres a difference between a planned default and an our of the blue default.

    No such thing. Queuing up to take money out of a bank account when it's guaranteed is completely irrational. However once 100 people are in the queue the rational thing is to be at the front.

    You can't plan insolvency. You're solvent until the second you aren't - there's no inbetween.

    All problems can be solved - solutions are going to be unpalatable to someone though
  • Graham_Devon
    Graham_Devon Posts: 58,560 Forumite
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    wotsthat wrote: »
    No such thing. Queuing up to take money out of a bank account when it's guaranteed is completely irrational. However once 100 people are in the queue the rational thing is to be at the front.

    You can't plan insolvency. You're solvent until the second you aren't - there's no inbetween.

    All problems can be solved - solutions are going to be unpalatable to someone though

    I think people will be queuing up to remove their cash regardless of whether they took the default route or not. The confidence is damaged.
  • grizzly1911
    grizzly1911 Posts: 9,965 Forumite
    wotsthat wrote: »

    EDIT: Wookster PPR'ed - that's not right is it?

    How did you find that out?
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  • HAMISH_MCTAVISH
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    Says so beside his name.
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  • cepheus
    cepheus Posts: 20,053 Forumite
    Might they bring back the Cypriot £? Perhaps that is more worrying for Europe, Spain and Italy than the levy?

    Cyprus have still got the newly discovered gas fields. I'm surprised one of the large oil companies can't bail them out in return for a stake.
  • tomterm8
    tomterm8 Posts: 5,892 Forumite
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    wotsthat wrote: »
    No such thing. Queuing up to take money out of a bank account when it's guaranteed is completely irrational. However once 100 people are in the queue the rational thing is to be at the front.

    You can't plan insolvency. You're solvent until the second you aren't - there's no inbetween.

    All problems can be solved - solutions are going to be unpalatable to someone though

    What's irrational about it?

    If cyprus shows us anything it shows that government can change the law.(Not will, but can) .
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