Child support, foreign mother

christforgione

Ok, for once I'm being highly proactive, responsible and considered... Maybe overly so!

Current situation:

I'm born and bred British national living in UK. I have 3 kids from a previous relationship - have them 3 out of 7 days. I pay child maintenance to the mother via private arrangement. No problems, good relationship with the mother. No involvement from CSA. I've always paid on time, etc. Private arrangement is less than CSA statutory requirement but ex is happy because it is "enough".

I've been in a relationship with Czech national living in the UK for 5 years. I'm considering having a child with her. However, I know the rules for child support in the Czech Republic are punitive:

Czech child support, the basic table is for the following ages:

1. 0 - 5 years: 11 - 15 % of the net salary
2. 6 - 9 years: 13 - 17%
3. 10 - 14 years: 15 - 19%
4. 15 - 17 years: 16 - 22%
5. 18 plus years: 19 - 25%


Now, practically speaking I know relationships can fail and in the event that we break up and she goes home and wants to take the child with her, I'm worried that I would need to pay child support through the Czech courts and no consideration would be made for my current circumstances. The financial implications for me and my current family would be serious if I had to pay 20%ish of net salary for the next 20 years. In short life would be seriously difficult for me and my other kids.

These practical concerns unfortunately mean I don't want to have a child with my partner at this time - a sad situation as she has no children of her own and would like them and I think she would be a great mother. It might seem a little dispassionate on my part, but I need to understand what the implications are and just how much my risk and liability would be in the event of us having a child. I don't want to go into this blind.

Anyone have any ideas or experiences on how this kind of situation would unfold in the event of us breaking up with a child and her going back to her home country?

Charlie

NotSuchASmugMarriedNow

Probably not a good idea to have children you can't afford. If you've got 3 already, and can't afford more then think about having a vasectomy lol!;)

christforgione

Actually I can easily afford another child. What I can't afford (or rather won't accept) is to be screwed by some foreign government's child support system that takes no consideration of my circumstances. 20% of my net pay would be something like £12k a year for me at the moment. This seems alot, particularly as the average gross salary there is less than £10k a year.

Vasectomy is for those who aren't able to think in advance about these kinds of things IMHO. No plans for that at this point.. ouch

sfm82

Would you be ok with her going back to the Czech republic with your child in the event of a split?
If you have parental rights then she cant leave without your say so or a court order so you may not have a problem in the first place if she cant leave.

NotSuchASmugMarriedNow

Ah!! sfm82 has a very good point.

She wouldn't be able to take the child to the Czech republic without your permission anyway, provided you had parental rights.

So you won't have to pay the Czech amount of child maintenance anyway.

christforgione

Thanks for the replies. Actually, IANAL but I think it is possible that a mother can remove a child from the UK in case of separation without the father's permission though it's true that it would need to go through the courts. ref: Payne v Payne.

From what I can gather advice would seem to be,

a) ensure baby born in UK and resident in UK then do not allow the child to leave UK to take residence in Czech Republic even if the mother wishes to end the relationship and return home to her country. That way any child support would be via CSA or private arrangement.

OR

b) have vasectomy

Thanks

lix75

christforgione wrote: »

Thanks for the replies. Actually, IANAL but I think it is possible that a mother can remove a child from the UK in case of separation without the father's permission though it's true that it would need to go through the courts. ref: Payne v Payne.

From what I can gather advice would seem to be,

a) ensure baby born in UK and resident in UK then do not allow the child to leave UK to take residence in Czech Republic even if the mother wishes to end the relationship and return home to her country. That way any child support would be via CSA or private arrangement.

OR

b) have vasectomy

Thanks

do you love her? do you see yourself with her in 20 years from now? can you afford to have a child now? do you want to have a child with her?

if yes to all of the above, what ifs with re to a potential breakup are pointless. you can't possibly calculate your life like that.

good luck!

shoe*diva79

Personally I wouldnt be having a baby with someone if I am already thinking about the consequences of separating.

Errata

Looks like you're doing some deep forward thinking and have concluded in certain circumstances you can't afford to have a child with the woman you're currently in a relationship with.
Perhaps the next bit of thinking is about how likely is it that the relationship will break down.

SJ32116

Surely the fact you'd be living in the UK means you wouldn't have to pay a penny if you didn't want to? How can the Czech authority responsible for child support enforce payments on a UK citizen living in the UK?

I know my friends dad moved abroad and the CSA couldn't touch him.

sfm82

christforgione wrote: »

Thanks for the replies. Actually, IANAL but I think it is possible that a mother can remove a child from the UK in case of separation without the father's permission though it's true that it would need to go through the courts. ref: Payne v Payne.

From what I can gather advice would seem to be,

a) ensure baby born in UK and resident in UK then do not allow the child to leave UK to take residence in Czech Republic even if the mother wishes to end the relationship and return home to her country. That way any child support would be via CSA or private arrangement.

OR

b) have vasectomy

Thanks

Well if you're gonna be such a smart a**e about it......

It seems that you're not prepared to listen to any advice that we're giving you and tbh I think its the only advice that you're gonna be getting out of this ridiculous hypothetical situation.

If you arent prepared to pay the amounts for CS that the czech republic will want out of you when you allow your ex to leave the country with your own flesh and blood then dont put yourself in that situation in the first place, its not rocket science.

Have you even bothered to check if the czech republic is compliant with the REMO unit meaning that they can enforce this ludricous amount of money to support your child you chose to have?