Labour Ahead In Economy Poll -By 2% You Gov

Moby

PaulF81 wrote: »

Tell you what then, we stop all the extra stuff put on the deficit by Labour, overnight, which was paid for in extra stamp duty from a housing market in complete overdrive and tax on city finance, despite creating problems which nearly destroyed the global economy.

We halve the NHS budget, we get rid of working tax credits, we cut state pensions by 25%. We would pretty rapidly resolve the issues that have been created by the Labour government, who completely mismanaged the economy, wasted the good years, and now have the cheek to blame the Tories despite leaving the cupboard bare.

Do you not think there would be any consequences from the proposals you put forward above? I mean halving the NHS budget....really! Think about it!

DecentLivingWage

... and interestingly, even top tories know they will lose in 2015 - they are voting with their feet and their chequebooks - one huge donor Lord Ashcroft has pulled the plug on his funding for them in GE2015 - he knows Osborne failed and that the plan didnt deliver. We need voters to spend HERE because of Europe and our slumping exports - and theres no confidence and theyre too scared to do that spending. Seems like we'll be watching a slow and excrutiating demise for the tories - starting tomorrow maybe? We shall see, its close...

Moby

N1AK wrote: »

Labours one giant economic failure was not that the global crisis happened but that they ran the country through one of the longest periods of growth in history without giving us a saving pot for when it ended.

Between 1992 and 2008 we had consistent economic growth. UK borrowing fell every year between 1993-1997 under the conservatives. Labour followed the conservative spending plans initially and our budget peaked at a surplus in 2000. They then increased government spending massively; so massively that even though our economy was growing we needed to borrow almost £40 billion pa in the years before the crisis.

Labour's management of the economy could be compared to someone who is earning £500k a year and spending the lot. He loses his job, his rented house, his rented car etc but then claims that it wasn't his fault; how could he have predicted he would lose his job? I'd have a hard time feeling sorry for him and I certainly wouldn't invite him to manage my finances in future.

Again time and time again people forget history. Gomt spending increased hugely after 2000 because that is what people voted for to repair crumbling infrastructure, schools, NHS public services etc, that's where the money went. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. I don't think they anticipated the crash happening!

Harry_Boyle

Moby wrote: »

I think you'd make a perfect tory voter...after all you can't spell 'ideology'!;)

Definition of idiology :.


(ĭd'ē-ŏl'ə-jē)

1. 1. (n.) Political dogma espoused by anyone whose intellectual credentials are derived solely from his experience in professional sports or the entertainment industry.
   Origins: The contraction of idiot and ideology.

As I said, I don't buy into it.

PaulF81

Moby wrote: »

Do you not think there would be any consequences from the proposals you put forward above? I mean halving the NHS budget....really! Think about it!

My point is, the NHS budget should never have been doubled. We wouldn't now have consultants working a 4 day week on 120k+ and more managers than doctors now if we had kept the NHS budget under control.

A lot of the budget goes on waste. The big problem is, we can't reverse those salary rises and hiring all those managers.
And yes, I think despite the pain,th NHS budget needs cutting, like every other government department has faced. They had the biggest rises during the good times, they now need to take their tough medicine.

PaulF81

Moby wrote: »

Again time and time again people forget history. Gomt spending increased hugely after 2000 because that is what people voted for to repair crumbling infrastructure, schools, NHS public services etc, that's where the money went. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. I don't think they anticipated the crash happening!

Which is why the electorate are retards. This is what happens when you don't save for a rainy day.

StevieJ

Moby wrote: »

These people wanted you to increase your debts and buy 'financial products' because they make their profits out of financing them. Why can't some people see this?:mad:

prowla

Moby wrote: »

Again time and time again people forget history. Gomt spending increased hugely after 2000 because that is what people voted for to repair crumbling infrastructure, schools, NHS public services etc, that's where the money went. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. I don't think they anticipated the crash happening!

The government sure spent a lot of (our) money, but a lot of it didn't go on improvements.

The fact that they didn't see the crash coming just shows how incompetent they were; people were shouting from the rooftops about the bubble well in advance. The idea that you can continually increase borrowing on the basis that the underlying item's value will continue to increase indefinitely is stupid and unsustainable.

The idea that people can say in hindsight "if only we'd known" is ridiculous.

N1AK

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Suggesting its down to one person is somewhat harsh.

I agree, which is why I think if you read my post again you'll see I never suggested this was down to one person. My point was that getting rid of Osborne would make no difference to people's opinion of the government if they didn't also change policy at the same time (which I'm also not suggesting they should actually do).

N1AK

Moby wrote: »

Again time and time again people forget history. Gomt spending increased hugely after 2000 because that is what people voted for to repair crumbling infrastructure, schools, NHS public services etc, that's where the money went. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. I don't think they anticipated the crash happening!

You're right that public opinion was in favour of increased spending but that doesn't allow the government off the hook it just spreads the blame. A governments job is to manage the country not just chase votes.

What makes Labour's behaviour even less excusable is the fact that the current conservative government is doing the unpopular, right, thing and dealing with our finances; what does Labour do? Campaign for more of the irresponsible spending without funding that got us here in the first place.