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3.5% War loan
Surrey_Saver
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I inherited £400 worth of 3.5% War loan. I know this is an investment the Govenment refuse to repay, but it does still trade.
Given the dismal savings interest rates does it seem like a good buy now given the 3.5% fixed interest?
Given the dismal savings interest rates does it seem like a good buy now given the 3.5% fixed interest?
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Surrey_Saver wrote: »I know this is an investment the Govenment refuse to repay, but it does still trade.
Yes
The trading symbol is WAR
It has traded between 100.5 to 79 over the last 12 months, currently trading at about 83.20
Note the Government does not refuse to redeem this security. It is a perpetual issue, with no maturity date, although the DMO can call this issue at any time at 100.'In nature, there are neither rewards nor punishments - there are Consequences.'0 -
currently trading at about 83.20
so the running yield is about 4.2% - i.e. it'll pay interest which is about 4.2% of what you'd get if you sold them now.
the interest paid is fixed (unless/until HMG chooses to redeem the stock), but the capital value could vary dramatically (unless they're redeemed, when it would go to 100).0 -
Not sure if this graph is correct, but if it is I don't think now is the time to buy (unless there is some mutter from the gutter I am not aware of)0
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It's true that it is now called a perpetual issue, but the original 1917 issue from which it originates should have been redeemed many years ago and wasn't - in circumstances which are considered to have been a default by Britain......Note the Government does not refuse to redeem this security. It is a perpetual issue, with no maturity date, although the DMO can call this issue at any time at 100.
So beware! It can happen! (but probably won't
) ".....where it is corrupt, purge it....."0 -
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but the original 1917 issue from which it originates should have been redeemed many years ago and wasn't
Also the original issue was paying 5% to start with, later reduced to the 3.5% interest it pays nowWhich brings us back to War Loan. In 1919 it accounted for most of Britain’s £7.5 billion national debt. It also carried a 5% coupon, which in 1932 was considered too great a burden for the recession-wracked economy to bear. As the Bond Vigilantes remind us, the remedy was to cut the coupon to 3.5%. To encourage a “voluntary” participation, the Chancellor offered a 1% tax-free bonus to the volunteers if they accepted before the deadline. Since they were going to be given the haircut anyway, 92% of the three million holders accepted. There were no CDSs in those days, but doubtless the Bank would have argued that the UK government was not defaulting on its debt.
http://neilcollinsxxx.wordpress.com/2012/01/13/time-to-redeem-war-loan/Never let the perfume of the premium overpower the odour of the risk0 -
UK defaults all the time, just not totally outright like Russians did. Argentina is trying to argue no default on their debt. Greece tried to argue similar and so on even when people are forced to except less.
Every time they raise the retirement age, its a UK default
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sabretoothtigger wrote: »Every time they raise the retirement age, its a UK default

Very true, you pay in National Insurance for many years expecting one set of conditions, only for the rules to be changed as they go along.0 -
sabretoothtigger wrote: »Greece tried to argue similar and so on even when people are forced to except less.
That'll be the controlled/managed default then!
Never let the perfume of the premium overpower the odour of the risk0
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