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Bit like people who have never done a days work in their life voting labour then...
I would love to see the average iq of your typical labour voter. I am going for below 80.0 -
At least we elect the leaders of our trade unions. Also they are steeped in the history of bettering the lot of the disadvantaged....a worthy cause.
LOL. Trade Unions exist to advantage their members only, not society as a whole!Not like the cockroaches that finance the tory scum!
I love the way you paint 'em all black. Not a redeeming feature amongst them all. Bastads, all of them, bastads I say. Churchill, Balfour, Disraeli, Thatcher. All self-serving Semites that wanted to steal from the workers to give to the Jews.....so put it another way the tory's are supported by people who are protecting the interests they already have. Self seeking, self interested individuals.
Jews to a man, right? Bankers: hook noses after their pound of flesh.0 -
LOL. Trade Unions exist to advantage their members only, not society as a whole!
Were it not for the unions the working conditions of the masses would be a lot worse than they are now. Not just pay, employment rights but things like safety. They may have led the way for their workers interests but they have been adopted much wider. Things that are now taken for granted.
Unions may have got out of control for a time but you have to look at the position pre unionisation. Things were far from good.
Like the OBR they are useful to have as they can be blamed for the failings of owners, managers and government.
N.B. I am not in union."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
grizzly1911 wrote: »Were it not for the unions the working conditions of the masses would be a lot worse than they are now. Not just pay, employment rights but things like safety. They may have led the way for their workers interests but they have been adopted much wider. Things that are now taken for granted.
Unions may have got out of control for a time but you have to look at the position pre unionisation. Things were far from good.
Like the OBR they are useful to have as they can be blamed for the failings of owners, managers and government.
N.B. I am not in union.
I am a union member. Financial Services Union.
Trade unions were born to keep semi-skilled and unskilled workers out of the pool of people that could do a job to keep wages up, that was the point of the closed shop and it's why the unions fought so hard to keep it.
In an ideal world,. work should be as it is for me: I work hard with a bunch of amazing people. Each year we take on a few trainees that are qualified with potential and teach them to be great. If you become amazing you can earn amazing salaries.
Maybe people that don't earn amazing salaries should wonder why they aren't amazing.0 -
I am a union member. Financial Services Union.
Trade unions were born to keep semi-skilled and unskilled workers out of the pool of people that could do a job to keep wages up, that was the point of the closed shop and it's why the unions fought so hard to keep it.
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The birth of trade unions naturally reflected protectionism and was based on the trades and occupations of those organising them. It was about wages but it was also about other things like safety. Mine owners for example did not think safety was as important as the people who went down the pit shaft.Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
I am a union member. Financial Services Union.
Trade unions were born to keep semi-skilled and unskilled workers out of the pool of people that could do a job to keep wages up, that was the point of the closed shop and it's why the unions fought so hard to keep it.
In an ideal world,. work should be as it is for me: I work hard with a bunch of amazing people. Each year we take on a few trainees that are qualified with potential and teach them to be great. If you become amazing you can earn amazing salaries.
Maybe people that don't earn amazing salaries should wonder why they aren't amazing.
My father was a skilled engineer a manager, he wore a suit to work. For many years he was faced with having to pay his union subs and get his card marked.
He didn't agree with it.
I went with him as a child sometimes to a dingy smoke filled room over a back street pub. It was reminiscent of a rafia or gangster den in my child's mind. It was an insurance/protection not a massive sum.
These days it is all done by DDR and much more civilised.
We still pay those subs, in different ways, we still pay insurance some voluntary, some not to ladies and men in white shirts and suits that represent big corporations or to the state but that is somehow different.
The fact that those big corporations are ripping us off, where they can, doesn't seem to matter because they are "private". From PPI, to car, health insurance and pensions. Only covering the risks they can't discount first through uberrimae fidei.
In any civilised world where every body ultimately gets looked after and underwritten we are always going to have to pay one way or another.
The only reason they are on amazing salaries is because they are screwing others further down the supply chain. You merely teach them how to exploit situations better.
Are you forced to be a member of your union or do you do it for your own protection from exploitation or personal liability?"If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
I'm ready to eat a happy meal if anyone wants to donate, I aint fussy I just want the toy
High IQ just makes for grander mistakes especially if they start to exclude that possibilityI would love to see the average iq of your typical labour voter. I am going for below 80.0 -
sabretoothtigger wrote: »Quote:
I would love to see the average iq of your typical labour voter. I am going for below 80.
I would love to be in the employ of the person who made this quote. Because he is a very sad person. (I know that it is not you Sabre')
He is speaking of people who are the backbone of our country and without them business would never succeed, any failings that we may have are not committed by these people and the fault lies mainly in the management.0
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