Pay Rise not honored?

Acc72

I agree with the previous comments.

The best he can do is to speak with the MD in private and say that he understood the increase to be £1.80 per hour ?

If the MD does not agree, then in reality that is that - raising a greivance will not result in a further increase and will only cause him trouble.

This sounds like a small family firm, which is very different than a large PLC that has layers of management and HR department etc. - in this set up, it is usually a case of what the boss says goes unfortunately.

lolly_896

Hey all - Thank you for your advise.

Husband has realised that he has confirmation on his phone that his MD agreed to £9.00

He is waiting to speak to HR today, but MD popped in to see him and pretty much told him to raise a grievance (I guess so his wife would back down) It isn't a small company but not massive - They have 4 homes and a dom care agency all under one umbrella?!

If it did come to the case of an employment tribunal can you supeener staff?

Just to add - this job is pretty convenient. As in hours and distance from home, which he is happy with. The husband of the partnership takes charge of this home whilst the wife deals with the other. He doesn't have issues of getting another job, there is stuff in the pipeline already. What prompted him to ask for a payrise was a job offer of £10ph with less responsibilities than he has now, but he was happy here.

terra_ferma

lolly_896 wrote: »

Hey all - Thank you for your advise.

Husband has realised that he has confirmation on his phone that his MD agreed to £9.00

He is waiting to speak to HR today, but MD popped in to see him and pretty much told him to raise a grievance (I guess so his wife would back down) It isn't a small company but not massive - They have 4 homes and a dom care agency all under one umbrella?!

If it did come to the case of an employment tribunal can you supeener staff?

Just to add - this job is pretty convenient. As in hours and distance from home, which he is happy with. The husband of the partnership takes charge of this home whilst the wife deals with the other. He doesn't have issues of getting another job, there is stuff in the pipeline already. What prompted him to ask for a payrise was a job offer of £10ph with less responsibilities than he has now, but he was happy here.

I have to say that in my opinion your husband could end up casuing himself more problems.
An MD advising an employee to raise a grievance, against his wife???? There is something wrong here.

There are problems between husband and wife, she seems to have the power to veto his decisions, and maybe he resents that and he is telling him to raise a grievance, in all effect against his wife, to get his own back.
Obviously he'll deny that to his wife, and your husband could end up looking unreasonable and a trouble maker.

Maybe I'm wrong, but form experience workplace politics is really a minefield, and if you add a husband/wife dynamics as well, it's diabolical..

But this could just be me being cynical

lolly_896

They are husband and wife, but separated (I think)

She usually has nothing to do with husbands workplace, and the grievance as advised by HR will be against the husband - As he agreed to the payrise.

We have taken more advise from a HR specialist and husband is putting in a grievance tommorow.

Also had a look at care inspection reports tonight, it clearly states there staff turnover is too high and they need to remedy this! I wonder why it is so high?

ETA - I dont understand how he would look unreasonable? He has proof that MD had agreed to £9.00 - 36hours before pay was due he decides that he can't do that? I know who looks unreasonable to me!?

Checkmate_2

What's the point in a grievance against the husband when he has no authority on the pay rise? Seems like it's his wife who has control.

And lol@male MD advising to raise grievance against his own wife. If she can prove at the time of this pay rise was agreed, that he wasn't in the position to offer a pay rise, she may have the final say.

terra_ferma

lolly, an employer asking an employee to raise a grievance doesn't make any sense, they avoid them like the plague.
There may well be ulterior motives, even worse if he's potentially facing a divorce that involves splitting the company.

I'd be concerned that he may end up being piggy in the middle while his boss fights a divorce, or just has issues with his wife.
I can't see anything good coming out of this, as the wife may just crush your husband if she thinks he's her own husband's protege'.
I think that your husband is under the false impression that his boss is on his side, but he probably isn't, just thinking about the divorce and/or undermining his wife's position within the company.

In the long term, there is a chance that the company's future is at risk if they don't get along and they are faced with potentially having to fight in court over the ownership.
He may well be better off looking for another job.
Talking from experience, the wife reaction could be to try and get rid of him, though performance or disciplinary issues that could jeopardise a reference and his future career.
I may sound very negative, but I'm only talking form experience, including my own, unfortunately.

best of luck anyway

PS I'm talking from experience, about what could happen in practice, not implying that your husband is not (morally and/or legally) right. Not saying that your husband IS unreasonable, but that caught in between wife and husband he may end up being the one who LOOKS unreasonable

lolly_896

I totally understand your points - The dynamics of the company are very strange. Since they have separated they have bought another home, so i don't think they will divorce in the near future.

Everything is a battle - if he needs anything new in his kitchen, Husband agrees and she disagrees. I.e A nursing home with 10 cups and saucers but 40 residents, she puts up a fight about purchasing more.

He has spoken to HR and the manager of the actual nursing home and they both think that he is doing the right thing. He hasn't actually showed either of them the messages from him stating £9.00 ph. I think if he'd have come back with £8.20 he'd have compromised a little and asked for £8.50 but being promised £9 and 36 hours before payday reneging, stinks a bit.

HR have told him she is going to interview a few members off staff today.

Also it was agreed that when he had said payrise, he would in charge of the kitchen - As the pay rise hasn't happened i'm assuming he does not need to take any of the new responsibility?

lolly_896

Just to update - He got £8.50 with a review of £9.00 (In writing) in 6 months.

And it was back paid!!

Thank you for all your assistance!