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princessdon

nannytone wrote: »

i fought when i didnt affect ne .... when they changed LHA to the £)th oercebtike,,,, and wgeb they chabges the age ti 35.
it didnt affect me but i fought because it was unfair,
oeiole like you are finding it hard, but still not struggling.
when you struggle, who will support you>
no one, because you couldnt see the injustice and fight for us that are on the bottom of the pile.
i dont wish harm on anyone/ but when youre struggling ... think of us that you cast aside

Thats the point financially am I not struggling (I still have too much compared to others). Where I struggle is not seeing my soul mate as much as I'd like and in effect being alone more than I'd like. I can remedy that by moving - easy isn't it! It's my choice not to as I could never in a million years leave my Gran who would end up in a care home, years before she needs it and would be completely and utterly housebound all of the time. I could never do that to her.

I fight all the time and I don't expect anyone to support me. I just don't get personal, I look objectively at the bigger picture.

As I said my Gran is to be left with £31 a week - I am sure you admit you have more left than that. From the £31 she has to pay electricity and food, if the new "care tax" comes in with her social housing provider. I pay her additional costs (unbeknown to her because she's lynch me!)

I can't disagree with the decision - it is RIGHT overall. If I disagree with her decision, then pay those under PC age on ESA have to pay more, I can't agree with that. Her problem is she made poor decisions financially and that bricks and motar don't give money to live on. To say it's wrong for her, I'd be saying people with additional homes should be exempt and they shouldn't.

Take money alone - Lets say you get your rightful level of benefits and get extra DLA and Support group, so have more money. You can now afford it, but it still doesn't alter the principle which is that not all will be ok, there will ALWAYS be someone who isn't. You can't do individuals.

To argue people in SH shouldn't move to private insults those in private, to argue disabled shouldn't have to move means to argue the same in private rental too.

So again - is your argument that all disabled should be expempt no matter how many rooms they have? That people should be allowed an extra room in SH and not private rental? That they should be allowed what is offered? That they should be allowed until a SH alternative becomes available? That they should be allowed until any suitable housing, social or private is available.

It's hard to gauge your stance as you are too close to this and so explain your personal circumstances and not what you want for the whole of the UK.

nannytone_2

i have more than £112 WEEK,,,, BUT I ALSO HAVE TO PY FOR MY UTILITIES AND FOOD/ DONT YOU THINK THAT I HAVE A FAMILY TOO?
THEY DIDNT PUT A REQUEST IN GOR A BLIND GRANDMPTHER! BUT THAT IS WHAT THEY HAVE, AND I PARTICIPATE AS MUCH AS I CAN.
BUT MY JIDS SUPPORT THEIR OWN FAMILIES AND CAN AFFORD TO SUPPIRT ME TOO

mazza111

So a disabled couple, should give up their adapted flat and move into a private rental, that's not been adapted. Hope that the social work will make adaptions to the new one bed flat? Or pay a fee for it? Many disabled people sleep in their own rooms because of their disabilities, yes I know many don't before the usual suspects jump in, but the fact is, many do.

My own parents slept in different bedrooms for the last 10 years (roughly) of their marriage. It didn't make them love each other any less, it just enabled either or both of them to get a better night of rest. I won't say sleep, as they probably only managed a full night between them, but were certainly better rested in their own rooms.

JTFR I also argued for this in private rentals.


I also agree it's right overall. I do believe in downsizing, but not in this way. Not when a couple who must be disabled are in an adapted flat already.

princessdon

nannytone wrote: »

i have more than £312 WEEK,,,, BUT I ALSO HAVE TO PY FOR MY UTILITIES AND FOOD/ DONT YOU THINK THAT I HAVE A FAMILY TOO?
THEY DIDNT PUT A REQUEST IN GOR A BLIND GRANDMPTHER! BUT THAT IS WHAT THEY HAVE, AND I PARTICIPATE AS MUCH AS I CAN.
BUT MY JIDS SUPPORT THEIR OWN FAMILIES AND CAN AFFORD TO SUPPIRT ME TOO

She has to pay utilities (not gas as heating is included) and all food, plus petrol, taxis and everything else.

I didn't ask for my gran to be disabled and struck down with such a severe physical disability either and she is registered blind too due to vascular problems.

We don't ever ask for things, just take each day and deal with them as they come along.

yes it makes me sick that people like gran would be left alone and with such little money to fester, but that's the way it is.

I am REALLY annoyed that Housing 21 have decided that none benefit claimants will have a HUGE hike in rent to cover care fees of others (even though they A) pay for their care and may not even use it.

But that is life - I either tell her to move (she doesn't want to) or pay, so the option is to pay and deal with what is left.

I am not unsympathetic but shouting and whinging isn't going to change her position, all I can do is look logically. They are making changes do you want to stay, if so then how can I make it happen.

princessdon

mazza111 wrote: »

So a disabled couple, should give up their adapted flat and move into a private rental, that's not been adapted. Hope that the social work will make adaptions to the new one bed flat? Or pay a fee for it? Many disabled people sleep in their own rooms because of their disabilities, yes I know many don't before the usual suspects jump in, but the fact is, many do.

My own parents slept in different bedrooms for the last 10 years (roughly) of their marriage. It didn't make them love each other any less, it just enabled either or both of them to get a better night of rest. I won't say sleep, as they probably only managed a full night between them, but were certainly better rested in their own rooms.

JTFR I also argued for this in private rentals.


I also agree it's right overall. I do believe in downsizing, but not in this way. Not when a couple who must be disabled are in an adapted flat already.

I don't think anyone agrees it is right - BUT people are arguing against downsizing and not disabled rights. Whilst they continue to do so and don't invoke the help and support of ALL affected including PR it wont change.

Eg I can't sign a petition on this - all petitions are on SH under occupancy, I have never seen a petition on DISABLED paying more - what ever their rental.

Whilst the two groups are separated it is hard to gain support. I'd suggest disability groups fight for ALL and then support would be a lot more.

Just my opinion anyway.

As I say - give me a petition or cause that is disability based and applies to all as I have never seen one.

mojos.revenge

I wonder how many people will be up in arms if another law is passed to push tenants out of under housed properties. Supposing the next step is to increase the rent by the same amount for all tenants who have spare rooms. I can't be ruled out can it, making people pay for the privilege of having extra rooms that they don't need.
Before bringing in this law, maybe it would have been sensible to ensure that the people that would be affected had options to actually take. How many people will end up taking a step backwards in their lives, going back to a flat in a block where no on knows their neighbours and are virtually trapped in their own homes because they are on the 15th floor and the lift doesn't work.
A lot of families did all this when they were young, and progressed to a decent home, now they are expected to go back to those days in the autumn of their lives.
I predict that when it starts to effect everyone, and lets face it there is nothing to stop them taxing spare bedrooms in private homes if they feel like it . Then those who think it's a good idea will suddenly be up in arms.

nannytone_2

i have a housing associatio property.
the rent is comparable to rents in the private sector.

the HA is based in leicester, and only has our 6 flats in our area !N E Derbyshire)
they are charging £15 per week per flat in service charge
. we are fighting this.
in the 6 flats there are no families.
not because they werent offered, but no families wanted them because there is no garden.
there are 2 xouplws and 4 singke oeioke,
all of us would have been happy to accept 1 bed propertis but none were available
if i was self sufficient. i wpuld have no issue paying the extra for the second bedroom.
but im being penalised for something that i have no contril iver,
princessdon....... i just hope that you never find yourself in the same positiom.........just to realise that people dont care,,,,,,,,,,,,,because theyre ok and your problems mean nothing

nannytone_2

its so easy when you have an affordable lifestyle, to look at others and think that they should acept the restrictioms placed on them. without realising the implications.

mazza111

Again. I actually do agree with downsizing. I did it Wish I hadn't as you know, but that's a different story. I didn't have a crystal ball, nor could I have foreseen what was round the corner, even though I was told when she was 8, but up until she was 20 she was relatively healthy.

I just don't think disabled people should have to give up an adapted property to move into a one bedroom unadapted property... It can cost a small fortune for those adaptations to be made and should be excluded from the bedroom tax.

That's my thinking on it anyway. And I'll keep signing whatever petitions are around that says this. The louder we shout, the more we will be heard.

Again I will reiterate, I do believe that people shouldn't be in bigger properties than they need. Unless they are in adapted properties (which could be covered under DHP for the first year) or need the extra bedroom for someone staying over/partner/spouse.