Aptamil and Cow & Gate I've been conned

jetplane

chazsucks wrote: »

It shouldn't be, midwives are not allowed to advise one formula over another. If they do you need to report them x

Midwives aren't allowed to promote bottle feeding, no one is, the official line is breast all the way. However in the real world a bottle feeding mother either uses what her friends / family use or asks an opinion and that opinion is usually aptamil. I don't think it's a reportable offence.

It is back in stock online but I'm now convinced that the factory stand and watch the same stuff being poured into red and blue cartons chuckling to themselves :rotfl:

peachyprice

chazsucks wrote: »

No formula has enzymes similar to breastmilk. They market it by stating things like 'closest to breastmilk', however this is in the 'not permitted' category of infant formula claims. It's like saying the closest thing to a brick is a piece of wood (when the other options are trees). Excuse my lame metaphor

I'm talking 18 years ago, when the breast is best brigade weren't quite so powerful as they are now.

That's all they had in my SCBU for premmies, then they gave C&G to the full term mothers who had no intention of breast feeding and Aptamil to the mothers who were trying but needed to top up.

dizziblonde

peachyprice wrote: »

I'm talking 18 years ago, when the breast is best brigade weren't quite so powerful as they are now.

That's all they had in my SCBU for premmies, then they gave C&G to the full term mothers who had no intention of breast feeding and Aptamil to the mothers who were trying but needed to top up.

Our neo-natal only stock C+G or SMA... they have the specialist prem formula versions of things when needed - but basically that's the choice I was given when they needed to pass a feeding tube - we have these, which one goes down the nose?

olgadapolga

jetplane wrote: »

and that opinion is usually aptamil. I don't think it's a reportable offence.

It most definitely is a reportable offence as midwives and health visitors should not be offering an opinion about which formula a baby should be given. They should say that it is up to the parents to decide.

harty999

So we have now tried our entire town and area for both foods. They say not to change the milk but we cant get it anywhere.
Our baby is 9 weeks old. Whats the best advice out there?

As per the article there is none to be had. I refuse to pay silly prices on ebay
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2283182/Cow--Gate-Comfort-Mothers-bidding-baby-formula-eBay-turn-black-market-shops-run-out.html

Gillyx

Go onto the normal brand of whichever feed you use until you can get some? Not much you can do if you can't get a hold of it

Colief is pretty good (You add it to the bottles and it does a similar job to the comfort milk) not cheap though and a complete faff to prepare.

skintchick

jetplane wrote: »

I agree but as Gillyx says aptamil is promoted as the superior milk by HV, midwives etc, who also advise not to swap milks, and there are a lot of ingredients to compare.

Legally there is not allowed to be fundamental differences in ANY formulas. They are all essentially the same and anyone who tells you otherwise is misinformed.

If they find a "new ingredient" they are all obliged to include it as the aim is proper nutrition of babies.

Tried to find a link for you on this but can;t dig it up right now. When I find it I'll post it. Thought it was on Baby Milk Action's website but it doesn't seem to be. May have been a Facebook update from them.

amyloofoo

skintchick wrote: »

Legally there is not allowed to be fundamental differences in ANY formulas. They are all essentially the same and anyone who tells you otherwise is misinformed.

If they find a "new ingredient" they are all obliged to include it as the aim is proper nutrition of babies.

Tried to find a link for you on this but can;t dig it up right now. When I find it I'll post it. Thought it was on Baby Milk Action's website but it doesn't seem to be. May have been a Facebook update from them.

Thanks Skint - was about to say exactly this (have you been on the Baby Friendly Initiative's breastfeeding support classes by any chance? )

Your health visitor, midwife or any other health professional shouldn't be offering any advice or opinions on which formula to use... in reality they are all fundamentally the same, with only slight differences in composition rather than content. Most trusts have now implemented 'Baby Friendly' policies which would mean any professional who did suggest a preferred brand of formula could face disciplinary action. There's no reason why you can't change between brands and milk companies got into trouble for advising people differently in the past.

skintchick

amyloofoo wrote: »

Thanks Skint - was about to say exactly this (have you been on the Baby Friendly Initiative's breastfeeding support classes by any chance? )

Your health visitor, midwife or any other health professional shouldn't be offering any advice or opinions on which formula to use... in reality they are all fundamentally the same, with only slight differences in composition rather than content. Most trusts have now implemented 'Baby Friendly' policies which would mean any professional who did suggest a preferred brand of formula could face disciplinary action. There's no reason why you can't change between brands and milk companies got into trouble for advising people differently in the past.

I work for the Breastfeeding Network so we cover that in our training. Although we don't officially talk about formula we do need to know the basics to help mums who choose to mix feed.

Also I do a lot of reading around infant feeding as I like to be informed.

jetplane

harty999 wrote: »

So we have now tried our entire town and area for both foods. They say not to change the milk but we cant get it anywhere.
Our baby is 9 weeks old. Whats the best advice out there?

As per the article there is none to be had. I refuse to pay silly prices on ebay
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2283182/Cow--Gate-Comfort-Mothers-bidding-baby-formula-eBay-turn-black-market-shops-run-out.html

Have you tried online? Cow&gate was in stock, I don't see how it can be allowed to be sold on ebay, is it not classed as medical produce? If it's anti-reflux milk the helpline advised me to buy carobel from the chemist and thicken the first milk with that, if it's comfort milk maybe go to your GP and ask for infant gaviscon to thicken the milk.

Reflux including silent reflux is often mistaken for colic, so it may be worth seeing your GP if you haven't already done so.

I think this is disgraceful from a multinational company, when I rang they blamed the shortage on mothers for panic buying :eek: