Is Halal meat ethical?

sophlowe45

Edwardia I already knew you were great from all your posts.

But now I think you are super great.

want2makeitstretchfurther - your method is what halal and kosher are intended to be in my opinion.

The death is extremely quick and the animal does not suffer.

Loren470

whenever i get any freebie as an offer then first i test that item then only i have it. Basically! when its about any cosmetic or any food item.. Its my personal experience when i tried a free food item i got ill. from that day before analysation i never take any free sample.

Enterprise_1701C

Want2makeitstretchfurther wrote: »

As a VERY small scale free range meat producer (we have less than 50 meat animals on our farm at any one time) we keep our animals to the highest standards. I am beginning to eat only meat which i have reared and seen killed or killed myself, the journey to the slaughterhouse is a stressful one for animals and waiting to be killed amidst the smell of death is unnatural and disturbing for them, although to meet legal requirements I do send animals which are to be sold to the public as meat to a very local slaughterhouse just a few minutes down the road, meat for our own consumption is killed on the farm either by ourselves in the case of poultry or by a mobile licensed slaughterman for pigs, sheep and cattle, the death is extremely quick and the animal does not suffer, it is in familiar surroundings with familiar people, sights, sounds and smells and has no idea of what is about to happen, he kills with a gun (which is instantaneous) and is very proficient the animal simply stands in the field (a seperate one to other animals) or in the barn and within less than 2 minutes of him first seeing the animal it is dead, due to the small scale and humane rearing process our animals are used to human contact and therefore not at all scared when myself and the slaughterman go to kill them, they will stand quietly and calmly with no stress or distress up til the end, surely this is the best way for animals to end their lives? People will I am sure knock me especially as a woman for doing this, but I believe we owe it to our meat to rear and kill it humanely

If halal was like this I would fight to eat it. Where my grandmother used to live there was a wonderful butcher who kept and slaughtered his own animals. We knew where the meat had been, what it had eaten, and the flavour was out of this world. Unfortunately the new(ish) rules put him out of business, people shopped there because they knew about the meat, he himself put a sign up basically saying he can no longer trust the meat he could sell and he shut up shop.

Unfortunately a lot of halal meat must end it's life in terror as it's lifeforce slowly seeps out.

sharnad

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

In English law animals have to be stunned first, halal meat is not meant to be stunned. That is the difference. And yes, I have been in an abattoir, and I have killed more than one chicken with my own hands (very quickly and efficiently!)

So you know in abottoirs that they don't always stun properly the cuts aren't as efficient and they did in a lot more fear and pain. In halal they stun and cut the throat quickly. ITs okay for you to prefer the worse method of killing an animal but if you truly think your way is better you should look into it properly. Studies in Germany showed that it's the stunning that causes the pain. With halal killings their is a rapid loss of blood and the animal quickly becomes unconccious and there was shown to be no pain

[Deleted User]

hethmar wrote: »

poor bloody animals.

Was this intended as a pun?

Edwardia

sophlowe45 wrote: »

Edwardia I already knew you were great from all your posts.

But now I think you are super great.

Blushing here.. thanks but I really don't deserve such compliments. You made my morning though !:T

Fire_Fox

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

Unfortunately a lot of halal meat must end it's life in terror as it's lifeforce slowly seeps out.

Life force?? Slowly?? Terror?? You have an evidence for that?

You devalue any point you have with dramatic and emotive language. The blood is not any more essential to life than the brain, heart, liver or lungs. Personally I think the life force is consciousness or the soul if you believe in the latter. You can restart a heart or infuse donated blood into someone who has lost pints and they can survive, but not if they are brain dead.

I stopped having sympathy for swathes of the animal rights brigade when I worked in research laboratories (DNA/ oocytes not animals). There were organised pickets fairly regularly of a department that had NO animal house and NO animal experiments it was all cell lines and molecular biology, hadn't actually bothered to read the procedures section of any of the studies they were so vehemently opposed to and revolted by. Experiments that were only happening in their vivid imaginations. :rotfl:

sophlowe45

I think Fire fox is super great too (not that I mean anyone else isnt great too, only that information Edwardia and Fire Fox share is great for me).

dasophster

I am Muslim but I am also vegan. As far as I know it is legal to slaughter animals without stunning in the UK, and
the HMC meat comes from within the UK, they'd find it very difficult to monitor otherwise. Also for Orthodox Jews any type of stunning is never acceptable and I know some of the kosher meat is slaughtered in this country. Hanging up animals to slaughter them isn't halal because it causes distress to the animal and causes them a lot more suffering before death, it's like trying to beat sweets out if a piñata while its swinging all over the show. In addition in Islamic law yes the animals do need to be treated well while they are alive, you cannot slaughter pregnant animals, it's not allowed to slaughter animals in front of one another (which would render most slaughterhouses as not halal), and so on and so forth. I do personally believe that slaughter without stunning is more humane if done correctly. It is interesting that in the US organic criteria do allow for slaughter without stunning and from my admittedly very limited research and anecdotal evidence from friends in the US most organic farmers there don't stun and slaughter in a way that is similar to halal and their customers are happy with this and consider it more ethical and humane. I'm vegan partly for health reasons but also in the UK I am not convinced that anyone is raising and slaughtering the animals 100% correctly 100% of the time, I also don't believe it is the Islamic norm to eat meat regularly, the Prophet Muhammed Peace be Upon Him didn't eat meat very often even in times of plenty and many traditional diets in Muslim countries are not meat based. Xx

FatVonD

sharnad wrote: »

So you know in abottoirs that they don't always stun properly the cuts aren't as efficient and they did in a lot more fear and pain. In halal they stun and cut the throat quickly. ITs okay for you to prefer the worse method of killing an animal but if you truly think your way is better you should look into it properly. Studies in Germany showed that it's the stunning that causes the pain.

So true, when I was younger and living in a house share one of the other people living there worked in a slaughter house, he told me that sometimes it would take 3 bolts to bring a cow down.