To Fensa or not to Fensa?

thebaldwindowfitter

joinaman wrote: »

So you think fitting trickle vents is silly??

Is this after you have spent a fortune trying to get rid of black mould and condensation ?

I would never fit a window in a bathroom or bedroom without a trickle vent, thses rooms need ventilation at all times
How often do you open a window in winter? do you have a window open during a shower, or when sleeping? Which is going to lose heat the most, having an open window or having an open trickle vent

I agree it seem a bit daft paying for double glazing/etc and then leaving ventilation holes, but thats the problem with modern houses, people will not allow natuaral ventilation/air changes and then complain about dampness and mould.

Condensation and mould can be resolved in rooms without trickle vents just by altering the heating patterns in the house i have proved this to my customers and tenents in houses i rent out many times . I have trickle vents in my home which are in the cavity closures not the windows they used to wistle in high winds and you could feel the draught from them shut so guess what i did filled them with exponding foam is my house mouldy because of my actions no

joinaman

You are correct "widowfitter" but the difference is you know what you are talking about and know how to sort out the problems

How often do we hear from people who seal up their houses and then complain about damp/mould.
We have people fitting stoppers up the chimneys, sealing all doors and windows, etc, which is nice for the heating bills, but not for the houses.
Even my own son complained of black mould, but was drying washing on the rads and keeping all doors and windows closed to preserve heat, did not realise that this is what was causing the problems
Put trickle vents in some of his windows,( but not all) told him to use the dryer/cloths line and the mould has now been cleared, with no notable increase in heating bills
Rooms need air changes, especially the bathrooms and bedrooms.

leveller2911

joinaman wrote: »

So you think fitting trickle vents is silly??

Yes

Is this after you have spent a fortune trying to get rid of black mould and condensation ?

No.........People use common sense and open a window on the night vent fastener.



I would never fit a window in a bathroom or bedroom without a trickle vent, thses rooms need ventilation at all times
How often do you open a window in winter? do you have a window open during a shower, or when sleeping? Which is going to lose heat the most, having an open window or having an open trickle vent

Many bathrooms tend to have extractor fans which expel warm,moist air,condensation etc.BTW many of them are linked to the bathroom light so when you put the light on the extractor comes on and expels all the heat from the room whether its needed or not.Common sense? No.

Again common sense after a bath/shower open the the window for a few minutes and then close.

My parents have trickle vents in their windows ,standard ones,I haven't got round to making new ones for them yet and guess what they have black mould and condensation so they don't seem to be working on their windows.

I agree it seem a bit daft paying for double glazing/etc and then leaving ventilation holes, but thats the problem with modern houses, people will not allow natuaral ventilation/air changes and then complain about dampness and mould.

Why is that?, for hundreds of years people opened the windows in the morning to "air" the house,even stripping the bed off to "air" it.Its down to being lazy that many have trouble with mould condensation on double glazing.Single glazing is more of a problem down to a single pane of glass.It doesn't need a miracle cure just some common sense.


And yes, Fensa is a joke. It's supposed to prove the windows are fitted correctly and meet regs, but hwo many times arre windows fitted badly, and how many people know exactly what the regs are anyway,

Glad we agree on the last one.......:beer:

DHFrames

I'm Fensa registered and also subcontract for a large glazing company. I would say in the last 2 years only 1 job has been checked by the fensa police... Absolute joke!!! We probably average 15-20 frames a week, over the 2 years that's more than 2000 frames not being checked..... Cowboys paradise, things must change!!

thebaldwindowfitter

DHFrames wrote: »

I'm Fensa registered and also subcontract for a large glazing company. I would say in the last 2 years only 1 job has been checked by the fensa police... Absolute joke!!! We probably average 15-20 frames a week, over the 2 years that's more than 2000 frames not being checked..... Cowboys paradise, things must change!!

find that hard to believe because every company should have at least on pre and one post installation

Kirri

leveller2911 wrote: »

As previously mentioned the FENSA scheme is flawed and I have also seen work signed off that doesn't comply.

Our block of flats had the majority of windows replaced but was up to each leaseholder to go ahead. When someone came to sell their flat they realised that we had never had the certificates issued, I found out our fitters had never even registered mine, other flats had certs issued that hadn't even had new windows! Fitters here were terrible and Fensa seemed a waste of time, nothing was checked, certified or anything, what's the point if a bunch of cowboys are just giving them any old info and it's not even correct. I wouldn't be looking for it especially if I bought another property.

oldskoo1

Fit yourself but be prepared for solicitors demanding a cert when you come to sell.

If a thorough inspection report notices it is new it might be submitted to request the cert.

No cert and you might need indemnity insurance

leveller2911

oldskoo1 wrote: »

Fit yourself but be prepared for solicitors demanding a cert when you come to sell.

If a thorough inspection report notices it is new it might be submitted to request the cert.

No cert and you might need indemnity insurance

Any member of the public can fit their own replacement windows just apply to the local Council for a "building notice".Then when they start work Building control pop round just to make sure the windows comply with Part L of regs, ie correct glass units,draught stripping.

joinaman

Any member of the public can fit their own windows --

Then scan/shop and print out a Fensa certificate to cover your windows

You just borrow a certificate from a friend or neighbor

Yes, I do know of people who have done this !

LittleMax

ian103 wrote: »

Would anyone know about just one window?

Do you plan to sell?

If it was me I would just crack on and do it and worry about it later if it ever becomes an issue

Agree. You can always apply for retrospective buildings regs if it's an issue when you sell.