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  • They help but at a cost.
    I wonder how many would have got off the ground without subsidy?

    No where near the subsidy that nuclear got and still gets year on year - don't even mention the decommissioning costs or what we are going to do with all the waste material.
  • grizzly1911
    grizzly1911 Posts: 9,965 Forumite
    StevieJ wrote: »
    I thought fracking was the saviour of the world?

    Long term unemployed, treadmill, alternator.;)
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  • DervProf wrote: »
    Yes, I am aware of that.

    A lot of Formula 1 technology filters down into the cars we drive. The difference is, only a few Formula 1 cars are built and used.

    Do we really need to manufacture billions of mobile phones, so that pacemakers can be made smaller and more reliable ?

    I give in. No we don't need to manufacture billions of mobile phones, so that pacemakers can be made smaller and more reliable.

    Where is that 'rolleyes' smilie?

    Deary me.
  • grizzly1911
    grizzly1911 Posts: 9,965 Forumite
    edited 6 February 2013 at 12:31PM
    No where near the subsidy that nuclear got and still gets year on year - don't even mention the decommissioning costs or what we are going to do with all the waste material.


    Thorium reactors is the way apparently but doesn't sit well with the French model so disliked by the EU.

    Also not ready yet but where there is a will there is a way.

    I wonder if we would have spent so long dithering had we still wanted a bomb or asked foreign powers build it for us?
    "If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....

    "big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham
  • System
    System Posts: 178,415 Community Admin
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    What is the point of a post like that ? Just taking a pop at someone for the sake of it, making no attempt to address the points made.

    You're talking excrement.

    Go on, address his points, give him some useful advice about how to deal with surplus versions of windows.

    Nope. Exactly.

    My point (which you ironically missed) is that you will achieve nothing getting worked up about these kinds of things, it will never change, so much life wasted worrying about things which you cannot change.
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  • DervProf
    DervProf Posts: 4,035 Forumite
    I give in. No we don't need to manufacture billions of mobile phones, so that pacemakers can be made smaller and more reliable.

    But we do.

    I think we need to really think about the way we behave if we are really going to avoid serious energy shortgage issues in the not too distant future.
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  • GeorgeHowell
    GeorgeHowell Posts: 2,739 Forumite
    Joeskeppi wrote: »
    You're talking excrement.

    Go on, address his points, give him some useful advice about how to deal with surplus versions of windows.

    Nope. Exactly.

    My point (which you ironically missed) is that you will achieve nothing getting worked up about these kinds of things, it will never change, so much life wasted worrying about things which you cannot change.

    The first sentence rather gives you away as an immature chump.

    As for the rest you are in denial -- hands over ears going "la la la la not listening, not listening .." Fine, but you might have the courtesy to leave those wishing to have an intelligent discussion the opportunity to do so without being sniped at.
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  • Graham_Devon
    Graham_Devon Posts: 58,560 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 10,000 Posts Combo Breaker
    edited 6 February 2013 at 2:51PM
    At a family level I do, endeavor to, slow down the consumption but it has become endemic in society.

    I'm trying to do this too. I also try and buy refurbished IT for both work and home. You spend less, get something 3 years old that will still do everything you want, and you get much higher end materials, which you can then re-use.

    My main laptop at home doesn't look nice, however, it's taken a battering carrying to and from work, being used loads, has had an upgrade to windows 7 without issue, and it cost me £230 3 years ago, making it around 6 years old now.

    I've replaced the hard drive as that went to heaven, but it's so much better than the consumer end £300 bargain basement plastic stuff. Just heavier and ugly.

    More and more companies are not getting into the refurbished arena, and theres talk of a IT tax on the horizon, where you will find yourself taxed for buying iphones, laptops and the like. We could find that the number of devices made every year falls quite dramtically. Theres also a lot of talk about banning printer manufacturers from selling printers on the cheap making them landfill as soon as they run out of their start ink / toner. All makes sense in my mind. We throw printers away at work far too early, but to be fair, a replacement fuser costs more than a whole new printer. It's absurd.

    As for tablets and stuff, yer, I have one. Never used it for anything more than angry birds. I could either frustrate myself with a tablet and an on screen keyboard etc, or use the laptop which was sat next to me. Tablets gone in the ebay box, which I never get around to ebaying! My intention was to use it to stream movies to the TV from the internet and my NAS, however, it just doesn't work well in reality. While the laptop can stream anything from any website, the tablet had issues. Would work beautifully with lovefilm, but netflix, nowtv and blinkbox were all out, as was Iplayer as the picture iplayer gave through their app was terrible.

    Always amuses me that people have 14 megapixel cameras, and then view their photos on their mobile screen. What's the point?!
  • Joeskeppi wrote: »
    You're talking excrement.

    Go on, address his points, give him some useful advice about how to deal with surplus versions of windows.

    Nope. Exactly.

    My point (which you ironically missed) is that you will achieve nothing getting worked up about these kinds of things, it will never change, so much life wasted worrying about things which you cannot change.


    Very surprisingly I go along with sentiment in some ways, why you have to be so rude though in what is a very interesting(could be) subject.
    A big part of me has always had the attitude that if the world is going to end tomorrow lets go and have one big f*** **f party tonight.
    Also I am big believer that nature sorts itself out, man at the end of the day is one billions species that have existed and we have been here for only about 10 minutes on a 24hr timescale.

    As for people worrying about the state of the earth, thank God for them I say, and I am grateful that these types are also amongst us.
  • Conrad
    Conrad Posts: 33,137 Forumite
    10,000 Posts Combo Breaker
    edited 6 February 2013 at 3:16PM
    Indeed.

    So you sit in front of a monitor, throw abuse in some vague way, all over a completely none offenseive post, and then try and tell us how were missing the joy of life?!


    Devon what surprises me about people of your general disposition is that they do not seem to recognise they are repeating what a small section of every generation has said forever. Essentially that something big is around the corner that is going to cull most of us or cause some unprescended catastrophy.

    It intrigues me that you don't seem to realise your repeating an age old error.

    Do you realise that in 3 million years time another devon will be claiming the very same thing?

    The only answer I think you will reach for is that it's different this time. It always is.


    Please for example read up on the English Puritan movement. They claimed forever than Europe was about to implode with another black death, an all out world ending war and many more chicken licken scenarios.

    Does it not prique your interest that your'e repeating an age old pattern?


    The fundament your'e missing is that we are an adaptable species. Just because you cannot imagine those adaptations should not mean you ignore our ability to make vast changes such as growing crops in deserts and on ocean platforms, or synthesising minerals. Always keep in mind how far we've come in 150 years and how drastically different things will be in 100 nyears.
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