Tax Credits Help Please

MissMoneypenny

zagfles wrote: »

Nobody needs an "excuse" to claim benefits, tax credits, tax allowances, tax reliefs etc that they are legally entitled to.

And still you are in denial that Tax Credits are a welfare payment.:D You say they aren't but the governmet say they are; hence why they are being replaced by Universal Credit; with all the other income based welfare payments too for working age claimants.

There is nothing wrong with asking the state for help if you can't keep yourself or your children, but we often see Tax Credits claimants on here looking down on those who claim JSA or sick payments, when in reality, they are given more state cash with their tax credit claim. They justify this atttack on the sick or unemployed by pretending that 'TC aren't really benefits'.

That's why I asked how you were going to explain your Universal Credit claim as 'not really being benefits' as you do with your tax credit claim?

gravitytolls

kevelesopnic wrote: »

You will need to deduct from this 'nice sum' the cost of health, police, fire, schools, roads, transport etc etc etc.....

I thought council tax covered police and fire and road tax is supposed to be for roads. Transport already costs so much it can't possibly receive much subsidy.

zagfles

MissMoneypenny wrote: »

And still you are in denial that Tax Credits are a welfare payment.:D

I said they aren't benefits. That's a simple matter of definition, the govt don't define them as benefits. But I did say they "act like benefits in many ways". If you think they are actually benefits, and you know better then get Martin to change the name of this board. Go on. No point having the long name of "benefits & tax credits" if tax credits are in fact benefits, would it now?:p

You say they aren't but the governmet say they are; hence why they are being replaced by Universal Credit; with all the other income based welfare payments too for working age claimants.

So what? The previous govt replaced tax allowances like the MCA/APA/Children's tax credit with the current tax credits. So were those tax allowances benefits too then? :rotfl:

There is nothing wrong with asking the state for help if you can't keep yourself or your children, but we often see Tax Credits claimants on here looking down on those who claim JSA or sick payments, when in reality, they are given more cash with their tax credit claim.

Yes, so? That wasn't my point. Go find those people to froth at the mouth at.

That's why I asked how you were going to explain your Universal Credit claim as 'not really being benefits'?

Why do you assume I'm going to claim UC? You haven't got a clue whether I'm going to claim UC, or even if I claim TC now. As usual, you jump to conclusions so you can have a good self-righteous rant.

MissMoneypenny

zagfles wrote: »

That's a simple matter of definition, the govt don't define them as benefits.

The government do define tax credits as benefits; I'm not sure why you keep insiting that they aren't benefits (at least 4 times on this thread).

1. Tax Credits in included in the list of income based benefits that will be replaced by the one payment of Universal Credit.

2. Tax Credits are included in the list of public funds that non-EU immigrants are not allowed to claim if they have 'no recourse to public funds' stamped on their visa.
Public funds include a range of benefits that are given to people on a low income, as well as housing support.
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/visas-immigration/while-in-uk/rightsandresponsibilities/publicfunds/

3. Tax Credits are income based and applied for every year.

4. Not every person gets given Tax Credits

5. How tax credits affect other benefit shttp://www.hmrc.gov.uk/taxcredits/payments-entitlement/other-benefits/affect-on-benefits.htm
"Other" benefits as in 'tax credits are a benefit too'.

At least when Tax Credits are replaced by Universal Credits, they will clear the delusion/confusion.

zagfles

MissMoneypenny wrote: »

The government do define tax credits as benefits; I'm not sure why you keep insiting that they aren't benefits (at least 4 times on this thread).

Oh goody, you're still digging.

1. Tax Credits in included in the list of income based benefits that will be replaced by the one payment of Universal Credit.

So? Child benefit and council tax benefit aren't, does that mean they aren't benefits :rotfl:

2. Tax Credits are included in the list of public funds that non-EU immigrants are not allowed to claim if they have 'no recourse to public funds' stamped on their visa.
Public funds include a range of benefits that are given to people on a low income, as well as housing support.
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/visas-immigration/while-in-uk/rightsandresponsibilities/publicfunds/

So what? They are clearly "public funds", and the heading of that section is oversimplified. Why do you think they are called "tax credits"?? They were intended as a bridge between the tax system and the benefits system, but neither one nor the other. They incorporated elements of both, ie tax allowances and benefits. Read the white paper:

http://web.archive.org/web/20030422103842/http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/mediastore/otherfiles/new_tax_credits.pdf

3. Tax Credits are income based and applied for every year.

So are tax rebates on gift aid, pension, work expenses, etc. Are those benefits too :rotfl:

4. Not every person gets given Tax Credits

Not every person gets the personal tax allowance, so is that a benefit too :rotfl:

5. How tax credits affect other benefit shttp://www.hmrc.gov.uk/taxcredits/payments-entitlement/other-benefits/affect-on-benefits.htm
"Other" benefits as in 'tax credits are a benefit too'.

Yeah, and another link on that page says "Tax credits information if you're coming off benefits" and tells you how might get tax credits when you come off benefits.

At least when Tax Credits are replaced by Universal Credits, they will clear the delusion/confusion.

You really do seem to think it actually matters. Anyone with any common sense will claim whatever they're entitled to and whatever it's called, benefits, tax credits, tax allowance, tax rebate, universal credit, whatever.

The idea of some snob claiming tax rebates/allowances and looking down their noses at those on "welfare" is long gone.

Now rather than address my entire post, just find a few words you can quote and disagree with. That would clearly demonstrate you've been proved wrong about the rest as in the posts above.

Anyway I see you still haven't got Martin to change the name of this board. Why not? I know he's busy but this is important surely?

shedboy94

zagfles wrote: »

Quite right. Tax credits act like benefits in many ways, but aren't benefits. The name of this board gives a clue

If they aren't benefits then what are they? What's your definition of a benefit?

notanewuser

Pedent wrote: »

I'm more sympathetic to the idea that working evenings isn't consistent with your parenting responsibilities than other people who've responded have been. However, because you're hoping to have another child soon, I think you'd be crazy to give up your job now.

If you keep your job and become pregnant, then you'll be entitled to 39 weeks' maternity leave on 90% of your current pay, worth a total of £4387.

Eh? The 90% is only the first 6 weeks. After that it's £130ish per week.

zagfles

shedboy94 wrote: »

If they aren't benefits then what are they?

They are "tax credits".

What's your definition of a benefit?

Something with "benefit" in its name. What's yours?

notanewuser

zagfles wrote: »

They are "tax credits". Something with "benefit" in its name. What's yours?

But tax credits are payable to those that don't pay tax. How does that work?!

zagfles

notanewuser wrote: »

But tax credits are payable to those that don't pay tax. How does that work?!

Ask Gordon Brown.